Jordan. A model for Pandemic management

Infected, asymptomatic family members kill elderly people with pre-existing conditions. No one ever said that locking down was going to solve anything but limitations in hospital resources. It was designed to flatten the curve and spread the activity of the infection over a longer period of time. In doing so, it allowed more opportunities for asymptomatic family members to kill elderly people. The area under the do nothing curve was the same as the do everything curve.

 

No thanks.

There's not even any real evidence that a "6 foot distance" is effective. It's just some random nonsense people went with to feel better.

Japan has had 550'ish deaths from Covid.

Social distancing is impossible in Japan.

 

So you're saying if we don't isolate, we can infect our loved ones? No kidding

 

Pretty sure they didn't love in Jordan, either. But they love it NOW.

 

Doubtful.

As I said earlier, there is no indication that such things have any real effect. The idea of quarantines in general have conflicting results and findings on effectiveness.

Japan has done next to nothing in shutting down their country, and have had less than 600 deaths from Covid.

 

Still waiting for you to provide detail on this. I'm particularly interested in the role these Chinese owned hospitals are playing in treating COVID patients and precisely how they are distorting the data the Australian is providing to the point where it cannot be trusted. Clearly you must have some detailed information on this or you wouldn't have made such a claim, so why not just supply it?

Of course, you could just be wildly exaggerating the influence of Chinese owned hospitals to avoid facing the fact that Australia's policies have worked spectacularly well. I guess we'll just have to wait for you to provide some detailed information to find out if you know enough about this to offer a valid opinion.

 

If you're too lazy to do your own research into how intertwined China and Australia are, I'm not going to do the research for you. This is not hard stuff. China has even infiltrated our Senate by purchasing Chris Murphy and his deflection of China's culpability in creating, spreading and hiding the Wuhan Flu to blame Trump, then you are apparently not even capable of tiny tasks like searching campaign contributions and finding outliers like a $151,000 fee for service from China.

 

OK, so you made a claim you know you can't back up with facts so you try to shift the burden of proof to me. Sorry, not playing. You made a claim about Australian COVID data. Either you back it up or the suspicion that you just make stuff up that suits your politics is confirmed.

Thus far the data you have provided is a joke, so no one is expecting you to do any better. The only question here is whether or not you really believe this stuff, or if even you know it is BS. I have to say, this post makes me lean toward 'believes everything he says, no matter how lacking in evidence'.

 

Jordan!

 

I'm going to assume you're joking, VM. You haven't seen the numbers for the First Movers? They (we) have those numbers ONLY because we locked down hard.

Japan has done well because they have long had a habit of very high standards of personal and professional hygiene, and because they're generally 'socially distant'. They're not huggy, or close talkers. They're also famous for being mask wearers. They have a much stronger sense of community responsibility and civility, so will always don a mask at the slightest indication of a cold or other illness.

 

Are you doing that laughing from America? Because if you are, well ..... you know. The drowning man laughing at the guy on the beach because he's wearing an ugly swimsuit.

 

No, I'm not joking at all.

You have no idea what your numbers would be like if you hadn't locked down.

We have other countries that did not lock down and have had far fewer deaths, or similar levels of deaths.

Japan has done nothing and has less than 1k covid deaths.

Globally Covid19 is 1/3rd the death rate of the annual flu and pneumonia average rates.

All of the "science" like the Imperial model that was used to justify the global quarantines was pure junk.

Fauci has told us "it's not a problem" "it's a problem" "don't wear masks" "wear masks" and was the person who presented the Imperial model as valid "science".

And no, "personal hygiene" does not explain why an airborne virus has not impacted a country like Japan which has unbelievable levels of population density.

I lived in Japan for 10 years I know it well. The masks they wear are not respirators, they are general surgical masks. The Covid19 virus is small enough to go right through that mask like it's not even there.

People are allowing their fear to control them, and that's exactly what authoritarian governments want: for you to be afraid.

 

Let me ask you a question, and think about it:

If Covid19/Wuhan virus is the danger we are told it is, why are 3rd world countries with little to no health care and who are doing absolutely nothing in response to the virus not being absolutely destroyed by it.

The reason the yearly flu season and pneumonia has as many global deaths as it does is due to 3rd world deaths.

Why is it reversed now, and only people in 1st world nations are dying.

 

I'm guessing it's the climate.

 

It's because the only people at risk are the extremely old and the extremely sick, unlike the flu which kills indiscriminately in the 3rd world every year.

The people who are dying in first world nations do not exist in the 3rd world because they would have died long ago from non existent health care.

The median age of the population in Africa is 19. They're basically immune to it.

 

Yes, we do. The cases were shooting upwards daily, until we went into full shut down. As SOON as we shut down, those numbers started falling .. slowly at first, then rapidly. Initially we were getting hundreds of new cases daily, just in my state alone, and now we're seeing a handful a day in the entire nation. Importantly, we also have very high rates of testing, so there isn't a hidden asymptomatic population.

So yeah, we know exactly what would have happened had we not shut down. Those hundreds of daily new cases would have turned into thousands, just like they have in every country which didn't go hard enough or early enough.

 

So not two weeks after you shut down?

Is the virus different there than it is in other countries?

 

There is some good evidence that much of it is related to health and habits. China had a high initial death toll in males because a lot of Chinese males smoke, for example. America has a high death toll because a lot of Americans are overweight. Italy had a high death toll because they have a lot of old people, and a lot of those old people ignored warnings and carried on being the warm and affectionate huggers they've always been. Also, urban Westerners spend way too much time indoors - whether at home, or when shopping etc.

Now look at the rest of Asia. There is much less obesity, just for starters. They're outdoors more, and walk far more than Westerners. They don't spend all their waking hours inside climate controlled buildings unless they live in the centre of a big city (and the vast majority don't). They have also instituted policies which not everyone in the West is necessarily aware of. Thailand for example, has banned alcohol sales, plus all sorts of recreational stuff, and no one is allowed on the streets without a mask. You have your temperature checked before entering stores, and there are other restrictions I can't recall at the moment. They're not 'locked down', but neither are they anywhere near as open as America. Keep in mind also that the majority of Asians don't shop in supermarkets. They shop village style, via open air street vendors and the like - even in the cities.

 

Where did you see "two weeks" in my post?

 

Nope. Korea and Japan (and China, for that matter) have cold northern winters.

 

Japan has some of the longest lifespans on the planet. If not THE longest. Try again

 

You misunderstood. I didn't say Japan has THE longest lifespans.

What I said is that Covid is only killing old and sick people, to a 90% degree on the death rate.

That is why 1st world nations have high death rates and 3rd world nations have low death rates.

With a median age of 43, Europe has a high Covid death rate. With a median age of 19, Africa has a low death rate.

Below 50, Covid has killed almost nobody.

 

What's the incubation period of Covid19.

 

That must be why rates of infection for those stuck inside, lockdown style, is where most new cases of Covid in New York are coming from and not the homeless.

That's why I said there's no science behind a quarantine in this situation, as Japan goes about life normally and have low rates of Covid.

 

Not that there can't be multiple reasons, of course. China, Korea and Japan can suppress the virus via social discipline while India and Indonesia can suppress it via climate.

But why do India and Indonesia have such low occurrence, iyo?