Jordan. A model for Pandemic management

Climate suppresses influenza as well....but it still kills more than Covid in those countries.

 

Also, I'd like to touch on one other thing about Japan.

I don't care how clean you are, if you're packed into the subway in Tokyo like they are every day, they're going to be highly susceptible to an airborne illness such as Covid.

You're constantly bumping up against people as well, and social distancing is impossible.

The masks they typically wear are not going to stop Covid, the virus is too small.

 

Why did you mention Africa? We're talking about the First Mover nations. Once again, northern Asia has some of the longest lifespans on the planet. It's simply not true that they die younger than Westerners.

 

2 - 10 days, but the vast majority will be less than 7 days.

 

Those in NY were never locked down, they were simply asked to stay at home - and they failed to do even that. The very best compliance NY had in terms of staying home was less than 60% (and that was short term, only in a few locations) - which is a freaking disaster.

Quarantine absolutely works. If you have no exposure to the virus, YOU CANNOT BE INFECTED. If you stay at home, YOU CANNOT SPREAD IT.

 

You cannot pick the virus up at home unless someone in your home is going out and doing things other than exercising. Or if you're bringing things into the home from outside without decontaminating them first. When these things are happening .. YOU ARE NOT ISOLATING.

The virus is everywhere in America, so isolation only works when it's actually done. It's like being surprised your girlfriend is pregnant because you intended to use a condom (but didn't).

 

India has a very wide climate range, so it's probably not that. Tropical regions have cases. South Island New Zealand and Tasmania (Australia) are both cold places, and have very little COVID.

We're learning more daily, as to why the West has had such huge problems. But there is already anecdotal evidence that much of it is cultural/behavioural, combined with more assertive governance.

 

I mentioned Africa because Africa has had little to no Covid impacts.

Why?

Because the virus only kills the extremely old and the extremely ill.

Two groups of people who don't exist for the virus to kill in Africa.

It makes zero sense to lock down an entire country when the only at risk group can be safely protected.

 

With 80% of those infected exhibiting no to little effect.

 

Are you sure about that?





Quarantine isn't working in New York, where 66% of all cases are coming from people staying at home.

New York is 1/3rd of all deaths in the United states, and nearly all the deaths are in 8 states.

Most of those deaths are due to places like NY and Pennsylvania forcing known Covid infected old people into nursing homes with the uninfected.

 

I suspect it probably has more to do with the fact that Africans (like many Asians) live more outdoors than in. Plus, not much obesity.

 

Once again, they were never quarantined. People were/are still going out (from most households) either to work, or to shop. Worse still, I hear from family friends who live there, that few people bother decontaminating their purchased items and mail etc before bringing it into their homes. So many breaches of protocols that it's a stretch to still call it quarantine.

 

I see.

So in what country are people not leaving the house for any reason and are hosing down all delivery people that come to the house.

 

Sure, if you discount the fact that in even the most heavily impacted countries the young and healthy in the population are virtually unaffected.

It's also a strike on the idea of quarantine at home, suggesting that staying inside is not a good idea based on your theory of being outdoors.

 

Jordan. New Zealand. Probably some others I don't know about.

Also, plenty of people doing it voluntarily - because that was the recommendation from the experts. And they were right, obviously.

 

No, that's not what it means. It means they don't frequent public indoor spaces like supermarkets, shopping centres, cinemas, mass transit, etc anywhere near as much as Americans. If you buy your groceries from a few street vendors, there are no shopping carts, no door handles, no hard surfaces touched by a thousand people before you got there which aren't exposed to direct sunlight, etc etc. Their homes are smaller and more crowded, but they're not picking it up at home either - because no one is taking it into the home from those indoor public places.

 

How many starved to death?

 

None. Some did get very peckish, though! Army was sent in with rations when that happened.

I feel that loss of the Jordanian equivalent of cheeseburgers for two weeks, is far too high a price to pay just to stop a stupid global pandemic.

 

Good thing, with Syria and Iraq combined having 200 Covid deaths.

 

Not sure why you liked that.

They had 200 deaths out of 56 million combined population.

Makes you wonder what medical breakthroughs Chad and Niger found to have so few Covid deaths.

 

Not sure why I like a low COVID mortality rate? Really?

As for 'medical breakthroughs' .. its probably fresh air, sunlight, and living an outdoors life (and by outdoors I don't mean hunting and fishing - I mean sitting outside for most of your waking hours. Shopping outdoors at open air markets. Etc etc).

 

Which brings into question the entire "stay at home" idea, doesn't it?

Here's America's "pandemic".

 

No, it doesn't impact stay at home orders at all. Those orders are to prevent people from being on public transport and in indoor public indoor spaces - the two primary sources of infection. Stay at home orders did not ever say that you had to remain actually indoors at home, it just meant stay on your property. If people chose to spend two months literally indoors, then they have other problems we don't need to dissect here.

More to the point, even people who live in apartments in cities can keep those homes safe if they follow isolation protocols, so again, it's not the order that was ever the problem. The protocol works amazingly well IF people adhere to it. The problem in America has always been that very few actually did it. It's the proverbial condom left in the wallet. You can't say it didn't work when you didn't actually use it.

 

As for that map .. what was your point? Ever been to Bangkok? Almost makes NYC look like a country town. Everyone lives in apartments, and it's insanely densely populated. Check out Thailand's COVID stats. The reason for the difference is that the Thai Govt instituted - and enforced - strict protocols, and the people complied. Bangkok residents can't spread it to the household if they don't have it, and they don't have it because when they DO go out, they comply with the rules and regulations on everything they do. Masks must be worn from the minute you leave your own apartment door, temperature checks to enter supermarkets, no groups, no nightlife, no alcohol sales (in order to reduce reckless behaviour), no travel outside your immediate neighbourhood, etc etc. They have a very different attitude to Americans.

 

Actually yes, I've been to Bangkok several times. I traveled all over Asia when I lived in Japan. Enough to know you never play Connect Four against anyone in a Thai bar.

Bangkok did not have a low death rate because of any actions they took. When the lockdown orders came in March, everyone in the city scattered back to their homes.

If anything, the lockdown order spread the infection all over Thailand.

I've answered this several times, but let me do it again:

1. The disease only affects extremely ill and or extremely old people. The same people who are killed by pneumonia and the flu every year.
2. The reason Thailand, like the rest of the developing world, is largely unaffected by Covid (unlike the flu which kills far more of them) is that the people who are dying in the 1st world would already be dead in developing countries.