Only in the eyes of people who think perversion is normal. And what cult would that be, exactly? I'm plenty aware of how achaic it sounds to people who can't find any fault with it, and are thus compelled to manufacture some "fault" like "it's old". Well how very Christian of you I'm sure...but I think maybe Jesus would love you more if you started minding your own damn business.
Like yourself. You believe psychological perversion (ex. sexual repression) is normal Generic fundamentalism, I dunno - but your beliefs are a cult and are abnormal - not to mention creepy Cussing is a sin
I'm sorry but this is completely incorrect, I've already posted the figures that show the majority of sexual assaults are committed by people known to the victim .. Sexual predators do not choose their victims by the way they dress, and neither are most sexual assaults carried out by strangers. Myth - Women who are sexually assaulted 'ask for it' by the way they dress or act. Reports show that there is a great diversity in the way targeted women act or dress. Rapists choose women based on their vulnerability not their physical appearance. Enforcing a stereotype does nothing more than just that, start teaching people to look beneath the facade of appearance and stereotyping would be relegated to the realms of bigoted, racist, and sexist diehards, which is exactly where it belongs. You never know some of those people killed due to profiling may have still been alive today.
"what the hell"m talking about"? Whodathunkit. Guess Jesus and the Apostles were pretty creepy too, huh? How about lust? Is that a sin? Hmmmm?
preventative maintenence... wear a short skirt, no undies, by yourself at a kegger and pass out..... a crime of opportunity will occur.... and yes, probably by someone they know. Not saying the guy isn'g guilty or the woman ASKED to be raped... but if being smart about things, not putting yourself into bad situations with this inflated sense of "I can't get raped because rape is against the law so therefore, I am allowed to wear anything I want" mentality is why rapes happen. I do teach them... but I'm not going to rely on someone else teaching their sons when I'm concerned about protecting my daughter.
No need as some of us can override our base impulses. Seriously, if I were to checkout each and every good looking woman in society I would developed a whiplash and my wife would probably leave me. Perhaps you are like my brother, checking out and commenting on attractive women when you are not around your wife. Me, I found my brother's behavior deplorable... especially since he is a Christian and such coveting goes against the teachings of his religion.
well, since I haven't raped anyone.... I can't help it if women fell for my lines or actions..... if being the nice guy worked.... you wouldn't have pricks treating women like objects... granted.... I don't do that in front of my g/f either. But that's because I love her so I'm not going to hurt her feelings like that. I wouldn't like it if she was telling me about every guy that checked her out.... I do. Guys will be guys and talk like guys. Are you a female? that's the difference.....sorry, but guys talk like this. It's normal. Unless they are suggesting ways to actually assault a girl.... there's nothing wrong with it. my boss, is a great example of how I turn it on and off and how a guy's brain works. very good looking lady. Single, has a special needs son. My coworker friend and I were talking. to take on her and her special needs son has got to be something that other guys get scared off over. I joked to my single friend... "she needs a baby daddy..." he declined, but followed with a "but if she ever needs someone to just clean out the cobwebs for her...." now, does this prevent us from doing our jobs under her supervision..... absolutely not.... ohno.... we objectified her, yet, hold on.... we still can see her as a boss.
A woman is raped every 15 seconds in the United States... Do you consider America sexually repressed? 30% of all internet traffic relates to pornography.... What's going on here is a saturation of sexuality...not a repression. If a gal wearing a short skirt and cleavage is walking the opposite direction is going to pass by, I'll notice....it's natural. We're talking about grown men...turning around...not just glancing...turning around...to check a 15 year old's ass... Being blunt. You act like that? You think that is normal, and that anyone who calls you out as a pervert is the "dangerous" one. Statistics don't support your view. The Porn capital of the World is the United States...we produce more pornography in the United States than anywhere else on the planet...we have strip clubs, street hookers, escorts...and every imaginable fetish on the Earth... and a woman is raped every 15 seconds. Your argument is essentially bull (*)(*)(*)(*). Americans are over-stimulated more often than not, and sexual assaults are not in decline. Embracing one's sexuality does nothing to reduce sexual deviancy and crime. 1 in 4 American women has been the victim of a sexual assault at one point in her life...and you think someone calling men out on their satiation with sex is bad.
you said your self, she was very developed.... you noticed. that's the human nature.... nice perky tits.... you notice.... that doesn't mean you are going to hold her down and assault her.... 1 because she's your neice, but even if she was my neice, not yours, you still wouldn't.... but you still noticed. past that.... how does a stranger passing by know she's 15....working in a highschool prior.... I've ran into girls out and about that the only way I KNEW they were 15 is because I knew them. it's not a shock to people that guys are attracted to young pretty girls....
I don't leer at young girls, or women in general...I don't make them feel uncomfortable... no matter how they are dressed... "oh she wants to be noticed" "she's a slut"... Ok, first off no one wants your tired old ass...not addressing you...just these middle aged men "checking out" a high schooler. I'm aware of my behavior. I don't seek out stimulating pornography....because frankly it's stupid to me. Get yourself all excited over someone who you will never meet...and also there is the danger of increasing the envelope from viewing pornography to seeking actual sexual activity in the form of prostitution.... Plus, imagine you're married, or have a committed girl friend, you think viewing pornography will help the self-esteem of your better half? More than likely she'll view it as a form of cheating. Look at your attitude towards women, and yes this is personal, you talk about "I'd hit that" but I wouldn't marry it. I mean c'mon...that's misogny. I don't hate women, maybe that's the difference, I don't want to see a woman degraded in a pornographic act or taking off her clothes for money. I feel sorry for them, because that is someone's daughter, niece, sister or mother. Why do you believe a woman who may dress provocatively deserves therefore to be degraded?
WOW... I mean just WOW!!! What does rape have to do with self control? Are you fighting some need to rape? And you "can't help it if women fell for my lines or actions"... so you are a player I take it... one who whispers sweet nothings into the ear of a woman to get laid? News flash, some women really appreciate nice guys. When dating I had no problem finding dates, but sadly did find that many women had been burned so many times by the smooth talkers that they could not even trust a man, any man anymore. So you just do it behind her back? If so the dynamics of your relationship are far different than my own. Wow, so let me get this straight, all men think like you and your experience typifies the experience of all men on planet Earth? If a man does not think like you then they must be a woman... LMAO!!! Wow, I now agree with what others have already said, you are a misogynist. By the way, I am a man. IMO its only OK if its OK with your wife. If not then its disrespectful towards her. I am sure that makes sense to you, but to me its just tacky.
It doesn't even mean he'll get the least bit aroused, even if she's a stranger. I wonder if that possibility even registers in your mind.
So? Rape is a sadistic crime, and rapists are not people of normal psychology - they are typically sociopaths, and the 'thrill' is the act of rape itself, moreso than 'how hot' the victim is (ex. there are stories of 16-17 year old boys raping 90 year old grandmothers - I doubt they 'had the hots for granny' - they were turned on by the act of abuse moreso than anything else - this is essentially how sociopathic behavior is, the pleasure is the act of evil for its own sake). Not most Americans - a minority of religious extremists who are an embarrassment to their religions, yes Yes, a lot of guys who suck with women probably use porn as a substitute for a real relationship - myself I've never found porn that interesting. Gross exaggeration Nothing wrong with that. A man 'can't instantly tell' how old a girl is at a glance. Obviously a 30 year old man sleeping with a 15 year old, or purposely ogling a 15 year old is immoral, but if a woman is of the age of puberty - then biologically she's 'old enough to breed' (though socially, we consider young teens too young to consent, therefore from a social standpoint it is immoral). I'd say it's very irresponsible for a 15 year old girl's parents to let her dress provocatively (since she's not old enough to be having sex) - but if a teenaged girl (who I did not know was 15-16) was wearing a short skirt, and walked past me, and it caught my attention - I wouldn't feel guilty for that at all (obviously I would restrain myself if I knew her age - because I'm not some mindless animal who can't control himself - contrary to what your portraying). [/quote] A 15 year old's parents probably shouldn't let her dress provocative - in all honesty though this was more of a 90s thing with underage or barely legal teens dresisng provokatively (ex.it was a 'big fad' that started with young girls imitating Britney Spears in the 90s) - it's actually going in the opposite direction. You're straw-manning the topic. I'd say an adult male with a creepy interest in young teens is a pervert - but that's not the topic here. The individual in question is extremely sex-obsessed and religious fundamentalist, as is evidenced by his obsession with the topic in general. Hookers and are not 'fetishes/paraphilias' - sexual addiction is a type of disorder, but it's not 'abnormal' for a man to be turned on at the sight of a naked woman - it's far more abnormal and dangerous for a man to loathe himself and think "God hates him' just for having the natural evolutionary desires of a man And I'm not talking about men who seek out young teens - you're the one who turned the topic in that direction. Bully for her - if a man can't control himself, that's his problem - not the problem of a woman. If I saw a guy drive buy in a Lambo, I'd probably glance at it - but that doesn't mean I'd steal it on an impulse. I'm not a sociopath, I have ethics, and know better than to just 'take' what I want without regard for anyone else. The mindset you're promoting is basically the same as what an Iranian Imam spews - ex. that "women are to blame for rape" because men are mindless barbarians who can't be expected to keep their penis in their pants - you're dragging men down to the lowest common denominator just so you can 'blame women', how foolish. It doesn't increase it either, since desire for rape is a paraphilia, and unrelated to normal sexual desire - and would usually require that one be a sociopath, and have no basic sense of morals to begin with. A moral person isn't 'going to rape' just because he sees an attractive woman - just like they're not going to commit grand theft auto just because they "saw someone drive by in a fancy car" - that's pure paranoia, and you're basically equating all men with sociopaths. Thank you, Andrea Dworkin... now back to reality - - - Updated - - - We're not talking about gay men here
As long as he's not lying then no harm done - I've never had to lie to a woman to "get laid" - anyone who does is a puzzy anyway. Please quit twisting his words, mom No, women do not appropriate "nice guys" - they appreciate nice "guys" How does that relate to anything he said? Why are you twisting his words? His dynamics are a normal 2-way relationship - yours are an unhealthy 1-way relationship. You sit their feeling guilty for having natural male desires, while your wife stays at home glancing at a shirtless Brad Pitt on the plasma screen And somehow think it's different just because "she's a woman". Pretty much yeah You obviously haven't read many of Yguy's posts - the guy makes Pat Robertson look like Hugh Hefner. I first almost thought Yguy was a Muslim You're a parroter of Dworkinese nonsense who knows not what you speak of, and based your entire slander on a strawman concocted by your own misogynist and self-loathing misandrist mind No, you're a person with XY chromosomes - but a man? Hardly. But it's not disrespectful to you when she feels attracted seeing shirtless Brad Pitt on TV - you seem to be under the false impression that people "can choose how they feel" I personally wouldn't marry an insecure and narcissistic woman like that to begin with, who thinks a man should 'feel guilty' just (gasp) feeling attraction at the sight of a woman (which is only avoidable if the man is either 1. blind or 2. a eunuch). For the same reason, that I'd never want my daughter or any woman I know to marry and insecure and narcissistic twit who loses his temper anytime she turns her face in the direction of another man, or compulsively monitors her texts to make sure 'she's not cheating. If I was that insecure and felt that my wife was so superficial that she'd 'up and leave me' the second a slightly 'hotter man' walked by her view, then I wouldn't want to be with her to begin with. Nor would I want a woman who's so low in self esteem that she'd put up with that type of paranoid, controlling behavior from me either - because that's essentially battered wife syndrome (and the opposite is battered husband syndrome)
Lots of assumptions here and nothing of substance to respond to. The only opinion that matters here is JavisBeason as he is the one I asked the questions of.
Your entire diatribe was an emotionally charged response to misunderstanding what the term "nice guy" means (and the difference between a "nice guy", and an actually nice "guy"). If it weren't for political correctness it wouldn't be constantly needed to explain the difference to women (and sadly men). The term "nice guy" refers to an obsequious approval seeker who's afraid to stand up for himself and is dependent on others (or womens') 'approval', not simply a guy with morals. Here's a chart I posted in another thread awhile ago which explains the difference. A "nice guy" in the sense that the term is used refers to one extreme (while a "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag" or "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" is at the opposite extreme) - the ideal man (aka "alpha man") is somewhere in between:
So you think any man who looks at an attractive woman and doesn't get aroused is light in the loafers. Right?
Yes, because 'arousal' is not something you can control. It's a sense. You "can't control" how something smells, or how something tastes (you can "choose" not to eat it, but you can't control the taste itself) - and you 'can't control' how your senses react at the sight of a woman. Attraction in a relationship-level isn't the same thing as sexual attraction. That's why I say your beliefs are harmful. You don't want to admit you 'feel attracted', because you believe that "you're sinning" just for feeling attracted at the sight of a woman (even if you don't consciously choose to have an affair with her, ) -basically you're degrading yourself for something which you can't control (you can control actions, but not innate feelings) - which is masochistic and psychologically harmful.
Again, lots of assumptions. I think you are reading way too much into what I said. But I leave you with your ignorance.
Then the question is why are men so unable to control themselves that they have to take advantage of such a situation instead of helping. Are we, yes I am a man, so primitive that we cannot suppress this animal instinct, are we not supposed to be an enlightened, intelligent species and yet at the merest sight of a unbridled vagina we lock that intelligence into a box, and TBH in my opinion things like the OP only serve to enforce the wrong message. Just because a woman wears a mini skirt with no underwear, gets drunk and passes out doesn't mean she wanted to (*)(*)(*)(*) someone, perhaps if people started looking at women as more than just objects of sex it would help, and I've already shown you that rape has little to do with the appearance of a person, it is mainly to do with vulnerability. Sexually predators don't do it for the sex, that is not what gets them off, what does is the feeling of power over another. You do realize, I hope, that no matter what you teach your daughter it will have little to no effect on her chances of being sexually assaulted .. really the best thing to teach her would be some sort of unarmed combat skills (though even that can make worse). What does need changing is the mindset of adults who pass on their preconceived opinions to their children .. change the attitude of our children and this stereotyping would fade.
So do you figure Jesus ever looked at an attractive woman without getting aroused? Speak for yourself. No, it's a feeling stimulated by the senses. You might just as well say anger is a "sense" for anyone who can't control it. More to the point, you can control your mouth watering if you have your wits about you. The problem being that you don't understand them anywhere near well enough to criticize them. You didn't answer my question before: is lust a sin, yes or no?
Is that what you imagine? I have known women who dress provocatively, who are lesbians in committed relationships, they dress for professional reasons. And isn't that the point, a woman has her reasons for dressing the way she does, and you don't know what they are, any more than people know the real reason you dress like you dress. When you judge them like that, it says a lot more about you than it says about them.
I like women who wear short skirts and have tattoos(as long as they're nice tattoos) I wonder what that says about me I've seen a lot of seriously baaad tattoos these days. My ex had some really baaad tattoos she got locally. I just told her they were cool What else can you say???
Well, you and I always argue on abortion related topics, but we can agree on some matters. Faith in humanity restored. If a woman chooses to dress provocatively, is not an inferred invitation to be degraded. Some will argue, she's degrading herself, regardless....whatever reason she may have is beyond my control...what I can control is my reaction to it.
