Juneteenth… Quite possibly the dumbest holiday in the United States

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  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Who is "we"? Did you do any of that? Or do you mean "we" as in past people with morals, who believed that slavery is immoral and humans shouldn't be allowed to own or buy other humans. Me thinks, if it was for people with your mindset, slavery would have never been abolished.

    Also, who is "we", who "gave" them affirmative action? Maybe the former slaves should be thankful to their former owners to be set free, by "giving" them the end of slavery? Why does it have to be given, when it shouldn't be earned in the first place to not be human merchandise?

    But, keep posting, the more you post, the more you reveal the mindset behind your OP. It's going to come out, eventually. You just have to let people talk.
     
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  2. Steve N

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    Ahhh….the holiday Kamala Harris has vivid memories of when she celebrated it as a three year old in California when she actually lived in Canada or something like that.
     
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    It doesn't have to have anything to do with anyone alive today. If it did, then even memorial day wouldn't make sense, but most of us agree that its an important holiday.
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you see how someone could interpret your comment as an indication of racism?
     
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  5. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    When do the Indians get a day? We could call it like national genocide celebration Day or something like that ?
     
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  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not have access to the complete article I'm posting an excerpt from. I'm posting it to spark an interest in anyone who wants to research the subject further.

    The Two Constitutions
    David W. Blight
    James Oakes’s deeply researched book argues that two very different readings of the 1787 charter put the United States on a course of all but inevitable conflict.

    Historians can and do change their minds about interpretations of events and the uses of evidence. We may be dead certain, or even mildly sure, about facts and the stories we tell about them, but our craft requires us to remain open to new persuasions, new truths. James Oakes used to believe that the United States Constitution was essentially proslavery in its foundations, and that any attempt to breathe antislavery meaning into it was strained or rhetorical and not textually supported. But no more. In his remarkable and challenging book The Crooked Path to Abolition, he makes the case that there were effectively two constitutions written in Philadelphia that summer of 1787, one proslavery and one antislavery, which would be in conflict with each other for more than the next fourscore years.

    Oakes, a distinguished professor of history at the CUNY Graduate Center, is not the only historian to have changed his view on this matter. In my first book, in 1989, I treated Frederick Douglass’s development of an antislavery interpretation of the Constitution as a slowly evolving perspective on his road to becoming a pragmatic political abolitionist and as a form of wish fulfillment in the absence of alternatives. I called his antislavery constitutionalism “dubious”—a search for political and moral ground on which he could stand to avoid embracing violent revolution by the 1850s. But I have come to see him as a deeply committed political thinker who argued his way, through what he called “careful study,” using legal and moral logic, to a vision of an antislavery Constitution. Guided by the natural rights tradition, Douglass found the core meaning of the American crisis. “Liberty and Slavery—opposite as Heaven and Hell,” he wrote in 1850, “are both in the Constitution.” What divided the nation was a Constitution “at war with itself.”

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/20...rce=Newsletter&utm_term=The Two Constitutions
     
  7. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Call it whatever you want Ma 'am. Any suggestion for a new name is welcome.

    Native American Day is the 4th Friday of September.
     
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  8. FatBack

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    I need a special day to commemorate my transition. You get a day, I get a day.... We all get a day!

    Except for those straight conservative white males. Damn oppressors !
     
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    Straight conservative white males don't get national holidays...? Who told you that?

    I don't get any days dedicated to me, but you know what, - you won't hear my whine about it. I get all the same days as everyone else.
     
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    Yes you're right they already have a day.... It's called Father's Day.
     
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    Every father gets that, you don't have to be white to qualify for it. They also get all the other national holidays everyone else gets. You didn't know?
     
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    And? Whites weren't the only people who lost everything dude, stop being racist and making this **** about something that it's not.
     
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    So fcking what?
     
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    It's not about what you think or how you feel. You don't matter as far as this subject is concerned.
     
  15. Joe knows

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    It’s not about feelings. I’m stating truths
     
  16. Joe knows

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    Blacks already made about something that it’s not. I’m correcting the racism.
     
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    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    have been called racist more than once for not being afraid to speak the truth. Someone calling me racist isn’t scary enough for me to stop talking facts.
     
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    There was zero reason to make it an official holiday either.
     
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    If affirmative action gets overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court, which seems likely, there should be a national holiday on the nearly 60 years of de jure systemic racism against whites, particularly white males, in this country. Let's see if we get a national holiday that marks the day when the Supreme Court strikes it down as unconstitutional, much to the anticipated chagrin of the Democrats on this forum, I'm sure. Maybe we'll get a parade and all the other bells and whistles. Here's hoping.
     
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    Indians get a day, Pacific Islanders get an entire month. Go figure.
     
  21. Lee Atwater

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    Grant, Meade, and Sherman were excellent. As it happens I've just been watching a History Channel program on Grant. Many of the officers on both sides were graduates of West Point. As it happens Grant knew the southern officer, who's name escapes me, who surrendered to Grant at the Battle of Ft. Henry. A key battle as it allowed the Union army access to rivers by which they were able to attack the Confederate army.
     
  22. Joe knows

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    Whites gave them affirmative action. We willingly took opportunities away from our kids to give to them. Whenever I say we I’m obviously speaking of whites. I’m sure you knew that. Not sure why you want clarification for the obvious.

    And yes we (whites) lost family lines to do the right thing and I do not support slavery. I also do not support any race based legislation at all. No body should be hindered on account of their race. I do believe that to the fullest.
     
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    My friend, you are probably not going to be shocked by this, but there is a month for Indians, too. George H.W. Bush (of course) declared November "Native American Indian Heritage Month." Also, we must note that Republicans in Congress supported making Juneteenth a national holiday. Spineless jellyfish, the whole lot of them.
     
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    They get everything else.
     
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    I can’t remember any of their names off the top of my head. I do have some good reads I could reference again though to refresh myself.
     

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