Juneteenth… Quite possibly the dumbest holiday in the United States

Whining about a holiday that is significant to black people isn't a moral, sir.

 

If Juneteenth is a national holiday, then why is its color scheme African:



Shouldn't it be red, white, and blue? Not red, black, green, white, and yellow?

If you knew nothing about Juneteenth--and let's keep it real, none of us did before 2020--and you saw those colors and were asked which country celebrates Juneteenth, and you didn't know what it was, and you couldn't use a search engine, you would probably think an African country celebrates it. If Juneteenth was supposedly about the glories of the United States in getting rid of slavery, shouldn't its color scheme be red, white, and blue?

 

Lincoln's primary objective. for the first two years of the war, was the restoration of the Union. As he explained to Horace Greeley, "If I could save the Union by freeing all of the slaves I would do it. If I could save it by freeing none of the slaves, I would do that." If you were for breaking up the country to save slavery, then by all means, you were a good Rebel. You can't get away from the fact that the Southern cause was for slavery and therefore not noble at all.

You last sentence was echos the the Democrat's 1864 presidential campaign slogan, "The Union as it was (reunited); the constitution as it is" (with slavery intact, no 13th amendment.) The idea was expressed on this 1864 George McClellan campaign token. Even at the late date, after more than 600,000 deaths, the Democrats could not give up on slavery which was the cause of the catastrophe.




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No, that's silly.

 

A little known fact is the Emancipation P. only outlawed slavery in the states that seceded.

 

Out manned? At the beginning of the war the population of the US was 31M. 21M residing in the North, 10M in the South, with 4M of those being slaves.

 

Why is it silly? The color scheme of the flag is red, white, and blue. Red, white, and blue is an American color scheme. If Juneteenth is a national holiday, if it is supposedly patriotic in spirit, then the color scheme should reflect that. The fact that we have a national holiday that is African is ditzy.

 

Indeed.

The war between the United States and the Confederate States began on April 12, 1861 at Fort Sumter, Charleston, South Carolina. The immediate cause was Constitutional principle: the U.S. government refused to recognize the southern states’ right to secede from the Union, and the C.S. government asserted that right by seizing federal property within its states’ borders. President Abraham Lincoln’s April 15 call for volunteers to suppress the “insurrection” confirmed white southerners’ fears of Federal “coercion,” and prompted four Upper South states to join the Confederacy and, thus, widen the war.

Although they were the proximate cause of conflict, Constitutional principle and secession were not the ultimate cause of the War. To identify that ultimate cause, we must examine the words of those who led the secessionist movement.

In 1894, legendary Confederate partisan leader, Col. John S. Mosby expressed surprise at a recent speech in which the orator dismissed “the charge that the South went to war for slavery” as a “‘slanderous accusation.’” “I always understood that we went to War on account of the thing we quarreled with the North about,” Mosby observed. “I never heard of any other cause of quarrel than slavery.”

In contrast to the post-war efforts to downplay the importance of slavery, it dominated the thinking and the rhetoric of southern statesmen in 1860-1861. Deep South states sent commissioners to the Upper South states to persuade them to leave the Union. Their arguments emphasized the mortal danger that the recent election of Republican Abraham Lincoln as president posed to slavery and to white people in the South. The formal explanations that several states issued to justify secession similarly emphasized slavery. (For these sources, please see the related links accompanying this entry.) Even Virginia, which seceded after war began, had formulated a list of demands that the U.S. government must meet if Virginia were to remain in the Union; all of them related to slavery and race.
https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunde...MI2pzeuP7P_wIVQxB9Ch066Q8LEAAYAyAAEgLKlvD_BwE

 

And those days, the "conservatives" were Democrats. Here is a medalet it from Horatio Seymour's 1868 presidential campaign. It's not a rare item. The Seymour supporters issues lots of them.

 

Your attempt to downplay what this holiday is about is funny to say the least. Your bitching about colors is fascinating. Stop pretending this holiday is about a whole nation getting freedom. Hell, a whole nation didn't get freedom on July 4th, 1776.

 

Correct, and the conservatives today would have been right with them.

 

No, your claim is baseless. How would slaves in Galveston, have been aware of the Emancipation Proclamation?

I am not going to get into, once again, a pointless contention against your merely reiterating some alleged fact, which you will never back up. So, here is a Google Snip, supporting my point. If you can provide nothing beyond your own say so, you might as well save your breath.

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However, it would take the Civil War and passage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution to end the brutal institution of African American slavery. After the Civil War ended in April 1865 most slaves in Texas were still unaware of their freedom. This began to change when Union troops arrived in Galveston.
https://www.galvestonhistory.org › j...
Juneteenth and General Orders, No. 3 - Galveston Historical Foundation
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That holiday is misleading. It’s a lie. The moral side of the story would be to be grateful and include those in the story that deserve to be known as well. To turn around and make it all about race and not expect a racial debate is stupid.

 

What was Lincolns main concern at the time? Slavery? No, it was to save the union.

"my paramount objective in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that…" - Lincoln

 

White people today didn't own slaves, and black people today were not slaves. No one owes anyone anything. These holidays are getting redundant though. It seems the post office and banks are never open a full week anymore. Some of us have businesses to run and can't close down for every little virtue signaling holiday.

 

That is a ridiculous generalization.

 

There were 4 million known slaves in the whole United States at the start of the civil war. Not just in the south. Either way, they were losing and the northern armies complained about the south’s ability to use slaves to dig ditches. How they were fighting tired. And let’s face it the South had far better generals. The north couldn’t find a general to even brag up.

 

Hmm weird. I remember going to a Christmas show at our local school last Dec.

 

We lost family lines, we got rid of Jim crow, we gave them affirmative action at the expense of our own kids, and all they do is complain more and more. They may not owe us anything but we sure as hell don’t owe them anything either.

 

the union soldiers did not die "to free the slaves." they fought to "preserve the union," and it sounds like you need a troop of blue coated cavalry parked in your block for that same purpose.

 

It's about as significant as Kwanza.

 

I think it's more accurate to refer to it as the war of Yankee aggression

 

The white people who died freeing them didn’t have slaves. And there is never any mention of who initially captured and sold them all over the place, not just here.

 

Huh?

 

Isn't Juneteenth when the slaves were emancipated? Emancipated by whom? Looking at the color scheme, I am assuming some African nation invaded the US and made us give up slavery by force? And then after we gave up slavery, they continued to engage in the practice well into the 20th century, such as Mauritania, which did not end slavery until the 80s. Not the 1880s, the 1980s. Is that the truth? Is that the fact?



Well, one of those statements are the truth, the fact. If you have the benefit of a public school education, you may be stumped. Perhaps you do think that the US was invaded by an African country in the 1800s, which stopped us from continuing slavery by force, but one or more African countries did not stop slavery until the 1980s.

Lastly, it appears you are downplaying the over 600,000 Americans who died that resulted in the emancipation of slaves. But I thank you for your candor. The biggest selling point to get bipartisan agreement on making Juneteenth a holiday was to draw upon the heartstrings of patriotic Americans. For those of a us a bit more sagacious, we saw past the smoke and mirrors. You appear to agree that this is not a celebration of emancipation--but rather something else. To you, this is a holiday where we should not celebrate this country, where we should not be patriotic.