I'm not forced to do anything I don't want. Neither are these ladies. Are strippers forced to get naked, or do they choose to because that's the job they applied for? Do hooters girls forced to wear revealing clothes, or do they choose to because that's the job they applied for.
everyone has a choice in life in how they decide to earn money. Sell your body, sell your mind. This applies to both females and males. I could have chosen to make good money as a construction worker, or working physcial labor on a boat, or in oil.... or I could invest in my mind. My back will provide for me for 20 years..... my mind can provide for me for my entire adult life Girls sell their looks. Their looks will fade, just like my strength.... but it's a choice they made
Men create the demand; women are the supply. The question is are men exploiting women or are women exploiting themselves? In this example, the LFL, these gals are for the most unpaid. I think it amounts to less than 8 dollars per hour. They wear minimal protection and they play on fake grass...astroturf. This can cause abrasions and burns on bare skin and from the looks of the uniforms it's about 80 percent bare skin. A guy doesn't go to this event to see a sports competition they go to ogle women and yes the women know they are there to be ogled. Team owners tell their players to show up early for hair and makeup. Maybe some are aspiring models, who knows. The fact remains, they should at least be given protective gear and insurance coverage for sports related injuries...right now they are on their own. I don't even consider this a sport, it's the equivalent of mud wrestling...my only real concern are that these are mainly young gals who may not know what they are getting into in terms of the sleaziness of the business. I've no doubt they sign waivers that protects the league in case a serious injury actually does result. One gal had her neck broken, so there is physicality to the game. It's basically flesh peddling, if you can accept that...have fun with this "sport." Personally I prefer to watch athletes with heart...not thongs.
evil man women victim same ole rhetoric. I will never apologize for liking a physically attractive female. If a woman wants to cater to that... I'm not going to feel sorry for her when someone snaps a picture of her in her undies.... if you don't want to sell your body... get an education. This applies to men who sell their physical labor, and women who sell their sexuality
on the one hand you say its legitimate on the other you say it is not Suffice it to say this is legitimate as the athletes clearly are enjoying what they are doing and find fulfillment in their efforts. Nothing even remotely wrong with that at all.
Owners who care about the people making them money would equip them properly. They are not even insured. These are naive young women who think it is a path to stardom and they are taken fully advantage of. i doubt many play beyond 1 or 2 years. Can you name one player without looking it up? name one player...
I enjoy Irish hurling - those players do not earn one penny and I couldn't identify any of them. Just live and let live.
Do you want your daughter aspiring to play tackle football in her underwear? If women want to play the game why not equip them properly, appropriate jersies pants and pads...and offer them insurance at least while they are playing and practicing. It's the right thing to do.
and do they play this game in speedos? Do people go to watch them play the sport or to stare at their crotch? I can assure you the vast majority of LFL fans who attend a game...are not there to watch ladies play football...they are there to watch ladies in underwear....and maybe the occasional football play. Why not treat them like legitimate athletes? They certainly put in the effort...if it was all about just the underwear they could be models...plenty of websites for bikini contests and models. These gals actually enjoy football and train, why not equip them like a real football player.
when you sell your sexuality for money, you can't get upset when people want sexuality.... if a hooters girl doesn't want to wear revealing clothes, go work at Applebees
If women want to play the game in full football attire, there are plenty of powder puff leagues they can join. If they want to draw attention to themselves while wearing skimpy outfits, they can play in this one. I personally don't want my daughter or son aspiring to play football at all, but my concern certainly has nothing to do with the attire they would be wearing.
they are wearing the attire they want to wear if you can't stand to see them dressed that way then don't watch
I don't I'm commenting on a message board. The topic is LFL football is it not? The NFL exploits their players as well, and I'd comment on that but this is about the LFL. Over 30% of former NFL players are found to have cognitive brain impairment in later life as direct result of the physical contact and concussions. The NFL did settle for something on the order of $765 million....finally. I doubt the LFL would ever stand up for the gals that make them money... As a coach, I'm concerned about my players safety, even as amateurs. If nothing else, sliding on astroturf with bare skin can produce some burns...do you think the LFL would consider actual football pants and long socks? That's not an outrageous investment to make in terms of cost. Of course not the men watch to see their bums in underwear. Sort of delegitimizes the sporting aspect to it, when the ability to be oggled is more important than protection. My comment is....the LFL...yeah keep pretending this is a real sport. .
the NFL interviews players while they are naked in the locker room where men's buns are openly displayed on tv - interestingly enough most of the reporters who conduct locker room reports are female
that goes for the NFL, too. which you alluded to later. both come down to selling their bodies for money..... women sell their sexuality, men sell their concussed brains.... but both make the choice when they agree to sign on the dotted line.
here's the deal with the LFL however...they treat their players as independent contractors, sort of like a stripper who works at a club. The club provides a venue for the gal to strip and in exchange she pays them a set fee out of the tips she makes. There is no sort of tax record going on. Meanwhiel LFL players are required to be at all practices, games and promotional events. They were also required to sign over their publicity and promotional rights to the league. The designation of the football players as independent contractors is clearly improper because the players lack the requisite control and discretion over their job responsibilities and duties to deserve treatment as independent contractors. What these gals need is proper legal representation, something on the order of a player's union. The LFL exists for one reason...to provide a venue for an audience to watch young, athletic women play something that resembles tackle football while dressed in minimal clothing. It's mud wrestling basically. yes, no one forces these ladies to do this, no doubt, however an ethical business model will at least provide some concern for their labor force. Seems to me the LFL is bascially saying, here's what we'll do. You provide the T & A and maybe you can have the privilege of representing my team. We'll use you to the extent that we can and there will be another young gal with stars in her eyes to replace you...tomorrow. The business model closely resembles a strip club. Strip clubs are legal in many areas and the stripper makes the choice to work there...but let's not pretend that the LFL is anything but the sports equivalent to mud wrestling. Neither the ownses or the fans have the remotest desire to endorse a legitimate sports competition. This is mud wrestling combined with arena football. Given that the internet traffics 40% of it's content as pornography...you'd think the average male out there would be over-saturated...but apparently not. They want even their sports to titilate and stimulate them. What you call "man shaming" is what I'm calling out as quite simply.... Sad. Truly sad. A person's life must be empty as hell if they need constant stimulation to get their mind's off how crappy their real life is, that they need women playing football in underwear as part of their sports entertainment. Heck hardcore pornogapahy is a click away if that's what a dude wants to see. You could watch it 8 hours a day for 10 years and probably not see the same scene twice. Yet...we need women in underwear playing football? There's a market for this? Apparently the pro NFL cheerleaders isn't quite enough, we need to see the cheerleaders tackle one another.
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ok, and are ANY of them being forced to make this career choice in life? I have no doubt they are getting paid very little. I had a job like that one time, too. INstead of staying in it, I improved my skillset and got out of that crappy career. Problem is, you can't exploit the willing. I am a ref, I'm an independant contractor. I belong to an association, and I'm expected to be at all the preseason/postseason meetings. I make 3k a year, (season is 4 month long), if I'm lucky. I wear a uniform that I can't stand. Tell me why the LFL women are being exploited and I'm not?
Let's be honest, the average guy doesn't bother watching LFL football. There are maybe 1-2K people in the stands, with probably half of them related or knowing the participants. I love the sport of football, and I've been to countless college and NFL games, but you couldn't get me to waste a few hours watching a LFL game. A 7 on 7 game of football played by women who couldn't bench press their own weight is quite honestly painful to watch to the average guy, regardless of what they're wearing.
wendy's. I felt I had more to offer society than flipping burgers and wanted more money than flipping burgers got me. I increased my skillset, and my economic value and appreciate Wendy's for being the bottom rung of my life ladder. If these girls are trying to make a living off LFL... it would be akin to me trying to make a living off reffing highschool sports. Even if I did a different sport all year, I may could make 15k from it, annually. I love doing the sport... but the moment it interferes with my real job, I'll quit reffing (or at least cut back) I am not being exploited, however, despite the questionable uniform and low pay.... (which seems to be herkdriver's qualifications for 'being explioted').... I choose to do it because I love it. If these girls are doing this for a career, they have already made some poor life choices that the LFL isn't responsible for.
