Landing gear found near mosque, NYC.from a 911 airplane

looks like now both the church and the mosque will be part of ground zero

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The piece of equipment will be retained by the NYPD

 

Yeah Muslims never condemn radicals and their attacks.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

http://www.ciogc.org/Go.aspx?link=7655053

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/do-you-even-hear-muslims-when-we-condemn-violence_b_3125564.html

 

Ironic indeed.
They'll probably claim it, and mount it on the wall as a momento of the good old days.

 

Feel free to point out what was "changed". Your baseless say-so is not persuasive.

Those statistics show a majority, not a "vast majority". You are moving the goal posts, however. Left-wingers like you like to talk about a "small minority of extremists", when the actual numbers are between 10-40% who support the extremist view of Islam. Your inability to refute the statistics is very telling, but not surprising. Like many on the left, you're satisfied with your security blanket of emotional "feelings" on the issue.

I get it. Muslims hate the West, and leftists hate the West. You have common enemies, which is why you support them. I'm telling you though, they are going to oppose the liberal lifestyle a lot more than Christians ever did. Carrying their water during the jihad won't spare you. No matter how much self-loathing white liberals apologize and pledge their undying love, they continue to target liberal areas for their terrorist attacks. That should tell you something.

 

Taqiyya. Kitman. Ever heard of these terms?

I didn't think so.

 

Thank you, oh pedantic one!

 

I would have left it there, declared the whole block a 'historical district' and start on eminent domain proceedings or condemnation whichever.

 

Brilliant!

Anyone who'd allow a 'victory' mosque to be erected near Ground Zero hasn't a clue about how the Muslim world perceives things.

 

This thread barely meets the minimum requirement for creation.

I changed the title from "Oh the irony" because it did not make sense. Thread titles should reflect the story, not an opinion.

I also moved it to the appropriate forum, 911.

Please keep the debate civil.

Thank you,

Jiyuu-Freedom
Site Moderator

 

It is not a victory mosque. That is just something that that terrorist twit Pam Geller and the lying scum bucket Andrew Brietbart (May the flames rise especially hot up his butt tonight!) invented to rouse the unthinking rabble against their fellow citizens. That congregation has been in the area for years and need to expand their facilities.

They are Sufi, by the way. Hsave you noticed how well Sufi and Salafi work together to rule a country?

Ever hear of Mali?

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Ever hear of Mali?

 

Jiyuu-Freedom, this is the 9/11 section, but it's under the Conspiracy Theory heading. I don't really think this story belongs here.

 

Taquiyya is a Shi'ite concept and doesn't exist in Sunni Islam...... Al Qu'eda is Sunni....
sorry not only don't you understand what it is about, you don't realize that it doesn't apply.

 

Why should a prejudiced rationalization for violence motivate the persecuted to change their behavior?

Radicals use the success of Jews to recruit suicide bombers.
Radicals use the liberation of woman to recruit suicide bombers.
Radicals use a failure to adhere to Sharia to recruit suicide bombers.
Radicals use our right to free speech to recruit suicide bombers.
Radicals use the western use of alcohol and drugs to recruit suicide bombers.
Radicals use anything they can to recruit suicide bombers.

Why do you blame the victims for the behavior of violent radicals?

Why is your defense " The multi-faith board of directors isn't interested in promoting radicalism." rather than, "The multi-faith board of directors combats radicalism?"

 

I am not sure what you are asking. I am stating a fact. The fact is that when bigots in the West attack all of Islam for the actions of Islamists, Islamists turn to the more moderate types and say "See the west sees you as evil, an enemy....and thus begins the process of radicalization. I am sorry if that fact is disturbing but it is what it is.

Actually this is not completely true. While some of this is true, there are many Muslims who would not be swayed by some of these arguments, but you see, like many cultures there are Muslims who aspire to be western and Muslim. When bigots in the west say the Islam is trying to destroy the west it is used to show the west is not interested in Islam. Persecution in the west breeds radicalism.

I am not that is a silly suggestion. I am blaming bigots for creating more radicalization which is a fact

Because I was answering an accusation that that they did. Much like if you accused me of beating dogs I would say I don't beat dogs but that is not mutually exclusive from me combating the idea that we should beat dogs.

Perhaps you should focus more on what was said as opposed to what you think I said.

 

Well, for one: "61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans"

From the actual study: "countries polled specifically denounce the use of attacks on American civilians, whether in the US or in a Muslim country. Asked whether they approved, disapproved, or had mixed feelings about attacks on civilians in the United States, 84 percent disapproved of such attacks in Egypt"

So, your source is a liar and you are a liar by proxy for posting things you didn't check out.

Oh, yay, are we going to quibble over what a vast majority is? I'll pass.

And how many of those people are willing to actually carry out attacks? Those are the main people we should be worried about.

Yup, unwilling to actually back up your argument in any way, you resort to insults. Classy, super classy.

 

Doesn't matter, if it were a Christian cathedral, I'd still want to declare the whole area a historical site. I'd leave that plane part right where it is and build a monument around it. It is sacred ground, 3,000 innocent people died and 9/11 was the largest attack by a foreign entity on US soil.

 

Here is the problem with that. It is about a 400 meters away from what we call ground zero or a quarter of a freaking mile. It is in an ally on private property, if we were to draw a circle a quarter of a mile around ground zero my guess that it would take up many 50 buildings, countless businesses and of course not a few churches. But go on a make that proposal. I mean Goldman Sachs will just vacate their building. NASDAQ too. please.......

 

Which is why I mentioned eminent domain or a condemnation procedure.

You make some good points but...Why a quarter mile radius? And maybe not the whole block (as I posted before) just seize the adjacent areas for a historical monument dedicated to those that died at the hands of radical Muslims. Maybe those erecting the mosque could help with the financing as well. No doubt they are as horrified as all of us about 9/11?

 

Oh my, the shining intelligence of it all.

 

Because this was found a quarter mile away. Other artifacts were found scattered all over the place. I guess you are just uncomfortable with the Islamic Center continuing its renovations. I actually love what they did with the place so far.

 

Anyone who thinks in terms of "victory mosque" lacks any semblance of a clue. About anything important.

 

LOL ................. is that the deal they had to make in order to get planning permission? Find a bit of a none existent Aeroplane sticking out of a bit of building Yer yer .................

 

no between 2 buildings LMAO

 

There would be no legal grounds to do so without moving all the Christian and Jewish religious institutions out. It's in the constitution.