"Left Behind" being re-made...so question about "The Rapture" and Heaven-

In the original film with Brad Johnson and Kirk Cameron as well as short films down by fundamentalist Christians (and likely the new Nicholas Cage version).....the Raptured leave behind their clothes.

The idea being that only their physical bodies are Raptured into Heaven.

Okay, given Heaven is not a physical realm, but a spiritual realm, why do their bodies not remain on Earth and only their souls are taken? (Thus leaving behind millions of corpses)

And if their physical bodies go to Heaven, how do they function in a place where physical needs.....food, water, etc.....don't exist?

 

You are giving me a headache... There is no rapture in scripture.

 

There's also no logic in it, either.

 

Heaven is a place just like this, today, where people will have access into their Unconscious mind and be in a personal relationship with the Truth one-to-one, inside their head.

Revelation 21:4-5
And God, (blessing them with Total Phylogenetic Consciousness: [Carl Jung]), shall wipe away, (in their awakened Unconscious Mind: [Freudian Hypothesis]), all tears from their eyes, (for life is a genetically remember able, a continuum, we shall remember from one generation to the next living generation); and,
(in genetic memories of prior existences held in our Unconscious Mind) there shall be no more death... (For we shall not all "sleep:" [1Co15:51], but total phylogenetic Consciousness will have evolved), neither sorrow... (For we, individually, are part of a living continuum of our own past, flowers upon our genetic vine), nor crying,.. (for we are happy in these revelations of reconstitution from our human gene pool), neither shall there be any more pain, (as men will have neurological control, a self-hypnotic ability to stop the nerve signals to the brain),... for the former things (in Modern Homo sapiens paradigm of the life experience) are passed away.
And he, (the Christ, the ancient, phylogenetic, Collective Unconscious Mind in their own Kingdom within), that sat upon the throne (within the kingdom of the evolving Homoiousian sapiens' brain: [Luke 17:21]) said, Behold, (in this way, through evolution: [Gen 9:11-18]), I make all things (in human experience) new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true, (i.e.; words of Christ himself, who is the experiential presence of Truth in us, rational, the Unconscious mind), and (worthy of) faithful (belief).

 

It already happened in 313AD:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones (of Universal Christian authority) and they, (the 144,000 monks of Catholic monasticism: [Rev14:4]), sat upon them, (Christianity mandated as the ONLY legal religion in the Empire, in 380AD), and (theocratic) judgment was given unto them (in the days of Catholic Monasticism): and I saw the souls, (the spirit-like psyches or thinking) of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the (one) word of God, (Truth), and which had not worshipped (by participation in the paganistic practices and sexual excesses fueling) the beast (of the revival of that Roman Culture including the economic system which had been based upon selfish self-interest), neither his image (on his coinage), neither had received his mark (of ledgered accounts recorded) upon their foreheads, or in (wages in) their hands; and they, (the monks), lived (in their Monasteries after the appearance of the Gospels in 54AD)...
.... and (they) reigned (in Monasticism) with Christ a thousand years, (from 54 AD upon the appearance of the Holy Comforter, until 1054 AD with the first Schism of Greek Orthodoxy).

 

I got to admit and I won't say this often, but Gorn does bring up a good point. Heaven is not a physical realm so it makes no sense for people to disappear like that. Maybe according to the idea behind it the bodies would just collapse to the ground but their is no point in it going to heaven

 

Well I hate to say it too, but Margot brings up a good point. There isn't a scriptural basis for it and even among evangelicals, it's controversial. Crusty old Pat Robertson doesn't buy it.

 

Yeah, my mom came to the same conclusion a few years back. She couldn't find any scripture that actually backed up the idea of a rapture.

Still though, I have watched and enjoyed the previous Left Behind movies despite that and I never really thought about what Gorn brought up. It's one of those things that's right in front of you but you just don't notice it. It happens.

 

Yes, he only needs more research to better understand these things.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

What about Matt 24:30??

Everyone collected into the 1000 year kingdom of Universal Christianity?

Matt. 24:30 And then, (hearlding the end of pagan myth [Zech 13:2], and astrological worship: [Rev. 6:12-17]), shall appear (in the clouds, [1Thes 4:16], to Constantine and 12,000 soldiers: [As reported to us by the historian Eusibius]), the sign, (The Cross), of the Son of man, [Matt 26:64]), in heaven, (ushering forth the new paradigm of monotheistic Hebrew Christianity):
and then shall all the tribes of the earth (in the Western European Roman Empire) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, (seen by Constantine himself and 12,000 soldiers as reported by Eusibius, the historian), with (socio-political) power ([Rev 4:11] in the establishment of Universal Roman Christianity: [Rev 20:4]), and great glory (in a Pope, identifiable with Appollyon, the destroyer, Abaddon in the Hebrew: [Rev 9:11] during the reign, 467AD, of Hilary I).

Just before a decisive battle, in the year 312, Constantine the Great, the emperor of the Roman empire, which comprised all of the civilized world, and all of his soldiers saw a Cross of light in the sky with the inscription, "By this sign you will conquer."

The following night Christ appeared to him with the Cross in His hand and told him that by this sign he would defeat his enemy, directing that each soldier's shield bear the sign of the Cross.
The emperor fulfilled the command of God and conquered.

 

What about it? It doesn't provide evidence of a rapture within the christian faith.

 

Yes, it already happened when all people HAD to become christians by Law, when in 380AD, Theo I made it the ONLY legal religion throughout the whole (Roman) world.

 

Every pagan in Rome was dragged into Christianity or else.

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

 

that's one of the major problems with dodgy dogma. centuries of conditioning to accept it as 'normal' mean that many people are incapable of employing their usual discrimination, so completely fail to notice the glaring fails. it's inherited corruption.

 

First, thanks for the backhanded compliment.


Second, it just struck me. The idea is that the Righteous will be "teleported" up to Heaven (typically to avoid the Tribulation). But in the films and novels (LeHaye primarily).....their physical bodies are taken to Heaven....but a physical body can't survive in Heaven or at the least wouldn't be needed in Heaven....just the soul is.

I think that it comes from two problems with the idea of "The Rapture". Biblically, the fact that it is so convoluted ....how various interpretations of the "End Times" discuss souls as well as "resurrected" physical bodies....that it is open to the idea of "physical bodies taken to Heaven".

Secondly, the Mass Media marketing of "The Rapture". Millions of dead corpses "Left Behind" would be horrific or "gross" and turn off the readers. Plus despite many Christians claims.....they DO fear death and given they believe THEY would be among the "Raptured"....the idea of their dead body gives them the willies.

And when translated to film....either the old 2002 version with Cameron or the new one with Cage......it makes for an even more "gross" imagery.

But the basic problem is....millions of corpses "Left Behind"...makes more sense. Empty clothes does not.

 

The origin of "The Rapture"...is quite new. Dating back only to the rise of Dispensationalism in the 1840s. It grew in the 20th Century among fundamentalist/evangelicals....and culminated in Hal Lindsey's "Late Great Planet Earth" book of the 1970s.

Tim LeHaye turned it into a money-making franchise.

Thus proving the old Eric Hoffer line- "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."

 

Which explains why religion has passed down the interpretation of the bible so incorrectly.

They used old information and tried to invent reason for what they believed was true in the Bible.
They had to invent spirtitual ideas and surrealistic concepts.

But now, they MUST defend them as Science produces facts against what they used as their reasoning.

 

You honestly don't see the irony and hypocrisy in that, do you? The guy who turns tries to make Genesis fit geology and paleontology ...and Noah's Flood into a chiropractor's chart......so that "The Bible is STILL true!"

 

PLUS,...
It already happened in 382AD, when Emperor Theo I mandated ONLY christianity could be worshipped, and must be accepted by all Pagans just totally disappeared.

All the Roman World had ONLY Christians living together for a 1000 years.
A thousand years...

 

LOl

You are the guy still ridiculing the religious interpretations that you see are wrong ideas.
But when I show you the correlations with modern Science, you say its STILL wrong to be right.

 

Dave, you take geological and paleontological facts....and "interpret" Genesis to make Genesis fit those facts so that you can still claim "The Bible is totally true....even though the Science disproves the literal words in it"

What's interesting, as I've said, is that using that same method.....one could prove that NONE of Jesus' miracles were actually "miracles". Re-interpret the "loaves and fishes" and say "Jesus made a big pot of fish stew and fed dozens". Re-interpret "walking on water" and say "Jesus swam out to the boat in a squall." Re-interpret "curing the lepers" and say "Jesus did some massaget therapy on a guy with gout."

And the Bible suddenly "fits" science and medicine and physics.

 

Pseudo-science bull(*)(*)(*)(*) mixed with religious bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

CD's basic premise is to take modern science and modern psychology as authoritative....but then "massage", bend, fold, staple, mutilate the Bible to make it fit those sciences (to the point of just making things up).....

and then say "See? The Bible is totally accurate and true....because it fits modern science and modern psychology"

 

In 390 AD, Theodosius was actually excommunicated from the church for massacring 7,000 citizens in Thessalonica for civil disorder. He was ordered to do public penance, which he completed. In 391 AD, Theodosius issued the edict of forced Christianity whereby all pagan temples were closed throughout the Empire.

 

Yes, there is very much a rapture in scripture. But you have to actually read the bible to learn about it.