Legalization of Handguns in Russia

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Legalization of Handguns in Russia

  1. Legalization of handguns in Russia is a good move

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  2. Legalization of handguns in Russia is a bad move

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  3. I dunno (It is a ticklish question)

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  1. SAUER

    SAUER New Member

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    Russia May Legalize Possession of Handguns

    Federation Council Vice-Speaker Alexander Torshin intends to propose a bill that would allow Russians to possess handguns and use them for self-defense without fear of being exposed to criminal liability. Presumably, the bill will be proposed in the State Duma early next year.

    http://en.rian.ru/papers/20120720/174699079.html
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    In my view it's an interesting question. Please vote and explain your choice.
     
  2. SAUER

    SAUER New Member

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    I took the third variant. I think it is a really ticklish question.

    Some experts think that violent crime statistics tend to decline as the number of legal firearms owners increases. (The fact that potential victim have a gun can compel criminals to abandon their plans) For example after the disintegration of the USSR two former soviet respublics Estonia and Moldavia got a very liberal gun legislation. From that time on the number of the murders, robberies, rapes etc has really decreased there. In other words a free man in a free country should have a possibility to protect himself and his family, si vis pacem, para bellum etc.

    On the other hand here is a hard criminogenic situation and after the legalization of handguns some Russian regions could become another Wild West. Also gun could be an object of the crime. And these tragic events >
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting
    showed that the legalization of handguns in Russia may be a mixed blessing.
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Putin will never allow it because he afraid a revolution in Russia.
     
  4. EvilAztec

    EvilAztec Banned

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    In fact, free trade firearms - this is a serious problem in the United States. Given the unemployed negros and Mexican Mafia. As for Russia, here is no need to repeat someone else's experience.
    My choice - Of course not
     
  5. AGS

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    So you are also admitting President Obama has the same viewpoints on handguns in the US, ANOTHER AMERICAN REVOLUTION?
     
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    They should provide weapons & training at low cost to the Russian people that can't afford to buy such.
    [video=youtube;WOoUVeyaY_8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8[/video]
     
  7. SAUER

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    [video=youtube;wExKbgDuni8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wExKbgDuni8[/video]
     
  8. SAUER

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    [video=youtube;ckz7EmDxhtU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU[/video]
     
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    A good move, IMHO, as long as sensible regulations are in place. Even if it results in increase of violent crime, I believe individual rights such as right to self-defense is generally more important than crime statistics.
     
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    On November 7th, 29-year-old Dmitry Vinogradov, a lawyer, shot his colleagues in an office of Rigla network of pharmacies in Moscow's North. The man had two rifles when he entered the office. The murderer has killed six people (one man died died from wounds in hospital) in the shooting spree. When interrogated, Vinogradov admitted that the cause of the massacre was his unrequited love to a woman from the finance team of the company. The killer also said that his colleagues would constantly ridicule him. It was also reported that the killer could commit the crime after he stopped taking antidepressants.
    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/08-11-2012/122743-russian_breivik-0/
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-dead-people-ex-girlfriend-work-Moscow.html

    this case says - there's a strong possibility that some criminal or lunatic with delusions of grandeur can always arm himself on legal grounds or or illegally
     
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    On November 7th, 29-year-old Dmitry Vinogradov, a lawyer, shot his colleagues in an office of Rigla network of pharmacies in Moscow's North. The man had two rifles when he entered the office. The murderer has killed six people (one man died died from wounds in hospital) in the shooting spree. When interrogated, Vinogradov admitted that the cause of the massacre was his unrequited love to a woman from the finance team of the company. The killer also said that his colleagues would constantly ridicule him. It was also reported that the killer could commit the crime after he stopped taking antidepressants.
    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/08-11-2012/122743-russian_breivik-0/
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-dead-people-ex-girlfriend-work-Moscow.html

    this case says - there's a strong possibility that some criminal or lunatic with delusions of grandeur can always arm himself on legal grounds or or illegally
     
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    I hope this idiot will be condemned to a life sentence. In Generally this case has great resonance.
     
  13. SAUER

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    I suppose the examination will prove that Vinogradov is a sane person.
    In my view he has a good chance to get a deprivation of freedom for life
    Another cowboy - that scambag Evsyukov is waiting for him.
     
  14. Vlad Ivx

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    I voted bad move because there already is a lot of corruption, alcohol and poverty there. Guns would only extinguish fire with gasoline. They would also greatly encourage the formation of gangs that 'act in self-defence'. Albania is the way it is for a reason. Russia would become a bigger version. Russia can't be like USA where police don't take bribes that easily and do their job.
     
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    Would probably increase homicide rates. Don't care. Liberty.
     
  16. SAUER

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    unfortunately it's a highly probable alternative. though moldavia (former soviet respublic & country with high level of crime) took pretty liberal gun legislation and the number of crimes has decreased there. well that's quite a dilemma...
     
  17. Vlad Ivx

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    heh, I know who Moldavia is... a region history wanted separate from the rest of my nation. My grandfather is from there.

    Quite a dilemma indeed. Same good effect was in Serbia some time ago...because people are afraid when they wanna rob that the victim may be a better gunslinger and have a bigger gun under the jacket. In Russia however I think it would be quite risky. There already is renowned Russian mafia both in America and at home. So the tendency exists and could be facilitated in expanding.

    And because like America or Brazil, Russia is a big country, I think it would drastically increase crime rate. Because gun-associated crime rate tends to take place in big federations like these. Look at Brazil's gangs. According to some they have the most terrifying organized crime problems in the world.
     
  18. SAUER

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    Yes, there are a hard criminogenic situation in Russia, US, Brazil but some other countries like Papua New Guinea or Colombia have the same problem. Sometimes the size does not matter. :) In my view the prevention of crime plays first fiddle. I know it is a banality, but gun is only an instrument/criminal instrument.
     
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    [video=youtube;wMzU3lJnY5E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzU3lJnY5E[/video]
     
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    I look forward to welcoming Russia to the mass shootings club soon.
     
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    Papua New Guinea dos not have the same problem - they do not shoot the offenders, they eat them :)
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Given the Russian culture of drinking into the stupor and then beating each other senselessly in a fistfights, guess what's gonna happen if there be guns lying around? :)
     
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    I don’t suppose it will happen soon. There is a strong gun lobby, but opponents of the legalization of handguns (including tops) definitely dominate in Russia.
     
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    I think it's a bad move, guns should only be available to those people who have a need for them such as policemen, security guards, farmers, etc. outside of a shooting range where ordinary people can rent a gun & practice shooting if they want to.
     

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