Lesbians Commit Child Abuse With Doctors' Blessings

Now now Dixon, remember inflammatory words like "hacked" have no place in a lucid debate.

The more accurate term is "sliced off". Like this, here:

 

Considering that

DSM-IV-TR admits that:
Only a very small number of children with Gender Identity Disorder with continue to have symptoms that meet criteria for Gender Identity Disorder in adolescence or adulthood (p. 579).
http://www.gidreform.org/gid3026.html

I think HACKED OFF is an appropriate term when adolescence is chemically delayed and genitals are hacked off before it occurs.

 

yeh anything that does not fit the mob bell curve should be exercized from the planet and the mob should have rights to decide the private affairs of people. its constitutional!

 

Your counter is what fails, because it presumes that we know definitively what this "Tommy" is. We don't, and EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO HAVE THIS PERSON'S PYSCHOLOGY MATCH HIS PHYSIOLOGY.

Delaying the hormones that could assist in allowing his pyschology to match his physiology is ABUSIVE, and an example of confirmation bias!

Which is why the medical community - and most of this forum's thread participants - are up in arms about it.

You want to attempt to dismiss this case? Do so when this person has matured. Your desire to fast-forward this process is disgusting. It's like allowing children who want to be the biggest and baddest football players in high school to take aggressive supplements like andro or HGH as early teens.

Yet - somehow - I think you can arrive at the correct conclusion there, but not with the story in the OP.

 

GREAT find; worth reposting in BOLD:

Only a very small number of children with Gender Identity Disorder will continue to have symptoms that meet criteria for Gender Identity Disorder in adolescence or adulthood (p. 579).


What do the resident psychopaths have to say about this psych study? Doesn't this statement PROVE that it is irresponsible to suppress the very hormones that would likely result in the realities as defined above?

Giving this boy testosterone suppression therapy is an attempt to REVERSE what this study clearly finds: the only way the statistics could demonstrate that this kid continues to "want to be a girl" is if his normal development is tampered with.

 

So parents should be able to decide everything about their kids, and society should not have the power to intervene in any way, regardless the circumstances?

 

The ironic thing is that these boys, without so called "treatment", would likely become homosexual men without it. Your typical, effeminate,bottom boy. And even with treatment, these boys frequently end up in relationships with homosexual men.

 

I agree, the mind should be sculpted to conform with the body and not the other way around. Otherwise as a child I was being oppressed when my parents refused to get me wing implants because I was sure I was a bird.

The insanity has to stop somewhere...

I was pulling your leg back there Dixon. I tend to agree "hacked" is an appropriate word. Just like the "psychology hoops" the child had to jump through. They too were hacked.

The ultimate goal of these two lesbians since this boy's young age was to instill a hatred of him for his own gender. So much so that he "wanted to be a girl" [or risk being alienated from his dear mother]. Did the psychologists examining him visit this little taboo subject? No? Better to initiate chemical warfare on a child that would coerce him to amputate his penis and testicles later than confront a couple of hostile lesbians incensed at the suggestion they were representing to their son from the earliest of his days that "males [implied: like him] are crap"?

 

so why are you trying to do it then?

It's not a crime. What you advocate is child abuse, not what these people are doing. You have it the wrong way round.

Congrats on another useless stupid post, and on failing to learn anything from this thread. I could spend all day pointing out the incredible stupidity in this post. But I cant be arsed.

Yes, it's the majority who are wrong, not too surprising given the large numbers of right wing Americans on here, who, let's be honest, tend to be clueless about pretty much everything under the sun.

Do you know 45% of Americans believe the earth was formed 10,000 years ago and man was created in his present form, overnight, and lived alongside dinosaurs?

Yes, millions of people are that 'king retarded.

 

Laws are decided by representatives of the people. The vote determines who those people are. Still with me? Good..

Now, child abuse LAWS are made by LEGISTLATORS elected by the People.

So, in a democracy, the vote determines in a direct line what is and what is not child abuse.

Now, visit the poll above and tell me if the lesbians, their doctors and law enforcement officers charged with child safety, standing by doing nothing to interfere, are guilty of child abuse or not?

We have laws already on the books, federal and State protecting children from undue sexual influences. As of this post and even when the GLBTQ-spam voting come lately is tallied, the vote AGAINST this treatment of the child still exceeds 80%. The People have spoken loud and clear: IT'S CHILD ABUSE.

Just yesterday I was reading a post where a former District Attorney was being prosecuted for failing to protect two young children from abuse. It turns out the evidence, as in this case, was clear and compelling. He just figured he knew the guy charged or didn't want to make waves...I forget which it was... In any event, in spite of all this man's friends in high places, he was being booked into jail as of last reading for standing idlly by while children suffered under his watch. So you see, the People DO take child abuse seriously after all..

 

Your attitude sickens me. You seem to have no real interest in the welfare of this kid, or understanding the subject.

He did not threaten to hack his nads off so he could wear a dress, you just made that up, to demean the story and sensationalise your view. He said he wanted to cut off his penis. His parents tried to rationalise with him. You would know this if you read my link.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids/index.html

Again you would not be posting such rubbish if you simply read the link. His parents were not pleased.

"The diagnosis was hard for Moreno and Lobel to accept.

"The fact that she's transgender gives her a harder road ahead, an absolute harder road," Moreno said.

They have been accused of terrible parenting by friends, family and others, that "we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: 'Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live,' " Moreno said.

But that couldn't be further from the truth, they said. People don't understand how a hurting child can break a parent's heart.

"No parent wants to be in this situation," said Lisa Kenney, managing director of Gender Spectrum, a conference for families of gender nonconforming children. "Nobody had a child and imagined this was what would happen."

Transgender kids do not come from lax parenting where adults "roll over" to their kids' whims, said Olson, who treats transgender children.

"The parents are tortured by it," she said. "These are not easy decisions. Parents go through a long process going through this."

No it's not society that makes him want to mutilate himself, but some individuals might be swayed by stereotypes. The American Indians had no problem with people who were neither one sex nor the other, or rather were both sexes, in fact they were revered. But in our society this aint really the case.

I find it odd that on the one hand you post sense, and on the other, utter (*)(*)(*)(*)e.

It's not one or the other, and you are certainly guilty of extreme retard posting regarding the accusation of anyone trying to convince children to cut of their genitals. This doesnt happen. You are wrong. Nobody tries to convince a kid to do that. Make a bit of effort and stick to reality.

exactly

Really? Wow, I never knew that! Are you sure?? Surely not!

 

The convincing is done via coercion. If the "trend" [to fit in] "as a transsexual" is to hack of one's genitals, then guess what all the kids will be doing who are now getting attention [or avoiding rejection for their gender as is the case with this boy] by saying "I was born different from my gender"?

Coercion by its very nature is subtle and powerful. So in a very real sense the children ARE 'being told' to cut off their genitalia. It's the same thing with other dark habits like drugs..even if they're bad for you, do them to cope, to escape or to fit in. Humans are very self destructive if they pick up cues from the clan..

 

after puberty he can articulate clearly what it is natural to him, before that it it is child abuse

 

Its not a disorder

 

its not a disorder so your statement is meaningless. And the criteria are stupid. Plus, I expect many are battered into submission by the mainstream desire for conformity.

 

So, you resort to outright lies. You know the truth. He had two brothers who were boisterous, athletic and masculine. You know that. You know that his lesbian parents did not influence him in the slightest, nor his two masculine brothers. You know they were horrified at his being transgender. You knw they repeatedly told him he could go back to boys clothes at any time.

Why the need for lies?



"Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers"

"He was in his own world just completely detached and that was a problem we always had was getting Thomas to participate in life,' she said. 'What we saw emerge when Tammy was allowed to be Tammy is, "Whoa!"... It was an immediate transformation. She was so giggly and she was now interacting she was now making it a point to defend herself.'

The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents. "

 

Since those medical professionals who were consulted on "Tommy" agreed that he had GID, your continued insistence that there is no such thing is a source of great amusement.

 

People who agree with me

the UK

France

The Yogyakarta Principles on The Application of International Human Rights Law In Relation to Sexual Orientation and Gender

World Professional Association for Transgender Health

oh, and guess what? You have to get diagnosed with GID to get the medical stuff paid for, that's why they still do it in America.

 

children with "gender identity disorder" forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide

 

It is in the US. It was in the UK until a political decision was made that it would not be considered to be a mental disorder. And no worries, there is a big movement within the APA to mainstream pedophillia and gender?.....alternatives, like they did for homosexuality back in the 70s.

 

How can something that doesnt exist cause them to face a higher risk of suicide? And why are you quoting two lesbians who think their child has a disorder you allege doesnt exist. And I pointed out long ago, Ive not seen ANYTHING to support the assertion that suicide rates are any lower after treatment. Many transexuals after treatment commit suicide as well. You have two lesbians mothers speculating as to what "could be".

 

As I say, they get the diagnosis to get the medical treatment. You have to be 'ill' to get treatment there.

 

COULD. And they used the term because it's commonly used in America. You know, because their professional terminology is either out of date and/or left that way so people can get treatment.

"Suicide attempts and substance abuse are common. "

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Gender-identity-disorder.html