Let the evidence speak: DID VACCINES SAVE US?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I received a few vaccines typical in 1950, and my father was a physician so it was all explained to us children. I caught measles before there was a vaccine for it, and my father told me I would be immune for life because of that natural infection.

    My children were born in 1981 and 1984 and we vaccinated them mostly in accordance with standard practice.

    If I had it all to do over again, I would not have vaccinated them.
     
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    Consider "we" were vaccinated with
    6 immune simulators
    3 for polio types + a D, a P, and a T.
    Today, and your kids day it was 50.
    Polio =3.
    Pneumococcus dozens for "type" variation.
    H. influenza (H Flu) over 20. NOT 1 Vaccination

    I believe Polio = 3 & DPT are worth requiring,
    all else should be optional.


    Thus skaketh Moi
    :oldman:




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    You know I hadnt even thought about that!
    I caught measles, mumps, some kind of pox, small maybe all before there was any vaccine available, never had one flu shot, didnt get this one either!
    By the time they develop a vaccine literally everyone has natural immunity!
     
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    maybe you can help me find the millions of people that had covid, and never reported it, and did not die prior to bringing out the vax?

    Another one I cant find is a database of all the other health conditions people that died had.

    Another one I cant find is how many or those people that got vaxed that already had covid in the months prior and were already immune.

    Another one I cant find is the people that died on round 2 or 3 of covid after being jabbed,

    I have seen no explanation why we have a nearly 20% ongoing death rate due to covid?

    How many people are dying now after having all their jabs, every one and I do mean everyone I have talked with that got jabbed got covid! I need more data on that too!



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    I really need an explanation with more data especially considering how many c19 deaths we have had!

    We need a completed database to properly analyse this, looks like an average 20-30% death rate to me.

    Does anyone have all that missing data?
     
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    You're countering his solid data with imagination and possible maybes?

    lol
     
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    Oh yeh, yer talking about all the data that he does not have, data that is required only if you are interested in providing an 'accurate' analysis, gotcha!

    Can you explain what data they used that is 'solid' and what you are imagining 'solid' mean?

    Especially since it provides faulty as in inconclusive analysis.

    How is required data that they failed to get solid anyway?

    We need you to sort all that out for us.
     
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    Let the EVIDENCE speak: Vaccine Damage

    In 1986 the US government passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which prevents most citizens from suing drug companies for damage done by their vaccines. They did this because drug companies were leaving the vaccine market in droves due to paying out so many millions of dollars in compensation they could not afford to stay in the vaccine business, and a doctor’s group lobbied members of Congress saying vaccine supply was threatened if people were not stopped from suing. http://vaxinfostarthere.com/vaccine-damage/

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    That battle is over.

    The diehards will never face the obvious, the world has moved on, but they never will.
     
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    The evidence, I believe, will show that the vast majority of folks who died did so because of their co-morbidities. Not necessarily from the WuFlu,, The data shows that having been vaccinated hasn't stopped the infection, nor has it stopped folks from dying. Obviously, the variants have become less lethal, which masks the actual effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing deaths. The more important question is what has the artificial RNA done to the ability of folks who are presented with other kinds of infections.
     
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    Yes they have, but it's true it's not the whole story. Other measures matter too in public health and medicine. Your graph mostly reflects improved treatment to prevent mortality.

    "Myth: The measles vaccine does not prevent serious illness and death - the number of measles deaths dropped long before the vaccine was introduced and it is no longer deadly.

    Fact: The measles vaccine prevents thousands of deaths each year worldwide. The number of measles deaths began decreasing before the vaccine was introduced thanks to advances in health care that improved treatment after people got sick (such as treating pneumonia that occurred because of measles infection). But serious illness and death from measles still happened regularly. In fact, in the 10 years before the vaccine was available in 1963, about 500 measles-related deaths were reported to the CDC every year. Since the vaccine, U.S. measles-related deaths have been increasingly rare – because the vaccine has prevented people from getting measles in the first place. The most recent U. S. death occurred in 2015 . Worldwide, there was an 84 percent decrease in measles deaths between 2000 and 2016 as the vaccine became more widely available – meaning more than 20 million deaths were prevented.

    Other than death, measles causes serious illness and leads to hospitalization for 1 in 4 who become sick. That’s why it’s important to look at the reduction in measles illness overall, which plummeted after the vaccine was introduced – from about 600,000 reported cases yearly in the mid-1950s (most weren’t reported, so the actual number is likely much higher) to a little over 100 reported cases in 2001 . Recently those numbers have been increasing due to local outbreaks."

    Measles Vaccination: Myths and Facts (idsociety.org)
     
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    Which evidence?

    This said, a vaccine doesn't stop the infection [who told you this?].
    A vaccine prepares [it trains] the immune system to face a disease, but a vaccinated person can be infected as well.
    My brother and his family has got Covid19 with two doses of vaccines [and they have had to wait to get the third one ...].
    My niece and my nephew noted nothing, my brother had a strong cold and his wife a bit of fever. Nothing else.

    Regarding the "artificial" RNA, my niece is a biologist.
    The RNA in the vaccines is natural, but modified. The main code is natural.
    Otherwise vaccines wouldn't work at all!

    But ...
    The party is still to come.

    We're noting clues that a new world wide wave could come soon [sooner than expected, even during this incoming summer].
    So ... let's stay tuned!
     
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    I so totally agree and I never got the unapproved "vax" and never would, was never sick, and a mask on once and have
    maintained my health with my antioxidants and my knowledge and I'll be 84 soon. yikes..

    I believe all that was done was all wrong in our country, mine is U.S. I had this "gut" feeling in March 2020.
     
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    ~ Many of us were infected in the early months of 2020 — with no or very mild symptoms . The fact that government continues to ignore this fact is one of many suspicious behaviors surrounding the "Pandemic Panic " fiasco ... :blankstare:
     
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    OK, but it seems like it doesnt work for our modern vaccines that seem to be equivalent to a leaky condom. Lets take Israel 86% vaxed and look at all the deaths! How come the stats are not proving out?

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    Seems like a lot of deaths considering that they have nearly 90% vax!

    Seems their were less deaths before the vax was administered! :confused:
     
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    I thank my lucky stars that I did not do them...Nor did my daughter or 2 grandkids both in their 20's....nor did a good friend who believes as I do with healing.:applause:.
     
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    ~ Sad but true. Interesting that many scientists/medical researchers are now afraid that the Covid-19 experimental "vaccine " has actually prevented herd immunity ... :blankstare:
    The haphazard record keeping shows inconsistent vaccine results from different countries. Physicians in the USA are restricted from certain treatment options due to government interference. Hospitals are paid $45K "compensation " for every Covid death. When faced with legitimate criticism $aint Fauci disappears . { As does Kamala Harris }

    :eyepopping:' SUSPICIOUS ... ! :confuse:'
     
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    And regardless of why a person went to the hospital and died WITH covid the death cert was reported as
    Covid.....crooks and lies lies lies. And I thought it was more than $45K per death.
     
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    the vaccine has proven to be safe and effect and help teach humans to fight the virus... yes
     
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    Okay, talking about covid again. I don't have the time to even do a rudimentary run through this, but suffice it to say you're not considering enough variables to analyze this issue here. Here are the important things to consider: What is the age of the people affected? Covid is about 1000x more lethal to an old person than a young person, depending upon comorbidities. How many people are affected? Earlier waves involved fewer people. What strains were involved? The delta strain was more lethal than earlier strains or omicron. Note also that vaccinated persons are more likely to be older, as they are justifiably more afraid of Covid. But if you want to keep it as simple as possible, compare the relative risk of death in a single age group during a specific timeframe by vaccination status.

    Something like this: United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status, 65+ (ourworldindata.org)
     
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