"let the state legislatures decide"on abortion

Who is out there advocating to use abortion as the go-to form of birth control?

 

Fake News, it's up to our Free Legislatures. You want to live under a Totalitarian system, Freedom is scary for some people. The think is, you are very much in the minority but you want to wield power as if you were the majority and it's not working out for you because in or Constitutional Liberal Democracy, all power resides in the Free People of the United States.

The Tyranny Of Minorities

'On issue after issue, contrary to the popular media narrative that Americans are hopelessly divided and polarized, the truth is a majority of Americans agree with centrist, common-sense policies...'

And yes, We, through our Free Legislatures, will decide.

 

Statist authoritarians cannot allow personal freedom to endure, despite the reality that a woman making a private, personal decision in consultation with trusted spiritual and medical advisers and loved ones is vastly superior to politicians and bureaucrats issuing impersonal blanket prohibitions.

Watch for repressive, regressive states to further erode personal liberty. Seizing personal mail and spying on personal communications may be next in the Stasi States.

Abortion Pills Now Account for More Than Half of U.S. Abortions


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Governor signs bill criminalizing mail-in abortion drugs

Several states are proposing new restrictions on abortion pills​

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And thus, their love of unnecessary and ineffective gun control laws.

Reality is, even under Roe, states had the power to limit, regulate, and prohibit abortions.
No right is absolute. No right is unlimited.

 

I wonder how many people recognize that this is a totally personal issue- and government has little business making it theirs. First, virtually all the consequences fall on the individuals involved. Second, abortion has existed throughout history- regardless of law. Laws may drive it into hiding and make it unsafe, but they will not prevent it. The battle over abortions has more to do with the perception of being "righteous" than the well-being of anybody. It's an effort to dictate the decisions of others, while taking absolutely no responsibility for the consequences of that decision.

Politicians do have personal agendas, but every one of them has a finger to the wind, and wants to tell the people what they want to hear- often in ways that dodge real accountability. That's the game they play to retain their positions, power and benefits. It's not serving the nation, it's serving themselves. Issues are pretty much the pawns on the chessboard. Unfortunately, the pawns are also the lives of people.

 

Democratic self-governance is, ideally, reflective of the will of the People, whether regarding permissive firearm laws or womb seizure by the State.

 

i am in agreement that this is a personal decision, a family decision, a freedom of religion issue and a medical ethics issue best decided without political interference.

i would support state licensing and inspection of facilities IF these were not obvious ploys to close the clinics.

 

did you just connect original intent with 40 years ago?

This might come as a shock to you, but this country was founded a lot longer than 40 years ago. Go look it up.

 

So...
if Statist Authoritarians can enact unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms...
...they can enact similar laws regarding a woman's right to choose.
Right?

 

Exactly. Normal medical standards and requirements should apply, individual moral judgments should not.

 

the "original intent" of the founders, according to the erstwhile originalists on the court and in this forum, was for the states to decide on this matter of personal freedom that had not been considered in 1788.

 

So if original intent doesn’t apply to abortion, why does it mean original intent in all cases is BS propaganda? Whoever is making original intent arguments for abortion are simply making bad arguments.

In any case, if you think original intent is only applicable to issues that are directly addressed by the founders then you are simply, and badly, wrong. The entire point of original intent arguments is specifically to understand the founders intent in order to correctly interpret issues today that they didn’t specifically address back then.

 

... vs the fanatical permissiveness that allows the U.S. to be the firearm carnage leader, by far, of all industrialized nations.

Among countries with the most gun deaths per capita, the U.S. holds a high-ranking position in several categories. The U.S. ranks No. 2 for the most gun deaths overall and No. 1 in the rate of self-inflicted gun deaths. The U.S. also holds the No. 1 ranking for civilian firearm ownership, with 120.5 firearms owned per 100 persons.

Poll: Americans overwhelmingly prioritize gun control​

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As States once arrogated the power to sanction ownership of human beings.

Progress happens.

Indeed. All rights enunciated in the Constitution are circumscribed by the rights of others.

Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court’s most vocal and conservative justices,
said on Sunday that the Second Amendment leaves room for U.S. legislatures to regulate guns.
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Unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding - such as those proposed and enacted by statists and authoritarians - can only have zero effect on the "carnage" in the US.

States have always had the power to limit, regulate, restrict and prohibit abortions - ever under Roe.

I'd include abortion in the above, but there is no such enumerated right.

Sure.
So long as the state can demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.
No one has ever questioned this.

 

You are clearly smitten by the gun mystique.

I agree with most Americans that firearms must be regulated to prevent the inordinate slaughter of innocents that occurs in the United States.

 

You are clearly unwilling to engage the truth.

Fallacies:: Appeal to popularity, appeal to emotion
Said fallacies do not in any way change the fact the unnecessary and ineffective restrictions you seek can, and therefore will, do nothing to reduce the 'slaughter" you claim.

 

You have offered nothing to challenge the reality that most Americans recognize that firearms must be regulated to prevent the inordinate slaughter of innocents that occurs in the United States.

If gunsters wish to perpetuate the permissiveness that facilitates such inordinate slaughter, it is incumbent upon them to contrive effective ways of preventing their fellow gunsters who perpetrate said slaughter from doing so.

 

Allow me to quote myself, doing just that, in the post you just responded to.

Fallacies:: Appeal to popularity, appeal to emotion

Fallacies such as these do not in any way change the fact the unnecessary and ineffective restrictions you seek can, and therefore will, do nothing to reduce the 'slaughter" you claim.

 

Do you have any serious proposals to reduce the inordinate level of firearm carnage in America that corresponds to the inordinate level of firearms in America?

What do you propose?

 

And thus, your concession that the the unnecessary and ineffective restrictions you seek can, and therefore will, do nothing to reduce the 'slaughter" you claim.
Thanks, Long Rifle.

 

Obviously, advanced nations that do not indulge in the permissive firearm regulations of the U.S. are blighted by far less firearm slaughter. I offered you the opportunity to propose any measures that you think would reduce that inordinate firearm slaughter in the U.S., but you appear to have nothing to offer.

 

However true this may be, you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between their lower rate of "slaughter" and their less permissive gun regulations.
Equally, you cannot demonstrate how unnecessary and ineffective regulations on firearms can reduce the "slaughter"
And thus, your further concession of the point.

 

Loved this bit

while they are distracting thier base with dog whistles the base is not noticing that their real life issues are going unaddressed

 

Australia

 

Tiny population
Island

And Ignoring the facts
Illegal gun trade alive and well in Australia's criminal underworld | Deakin

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