Liz Cheney says she may launch 3rd party bid against Trump, claims he could end democracy

I'm not at all sure How much of what he's accused of is actually true. What I do know to my satisfaction is the kind of President he would be and what his policies were and are. I also know what Biden's policies are and it isn't a difficult choice for me.

 

He openly attempted to steal the election. Openly. Sorry. That's a deal breaker for me. I'm sorry it isn't for you. There is no bigger threat to our democracy than Trump and his followers. This is an objective, empirical fact.

 

Well you see I would have to believe the election was legitimate to get all worked up over these accusations and as it happens I don't. I believe the biggest threat to our preferred form of government now sits in the White House, so there's that. Honestly I don't see much on either side to fill me with confidence for our future.

 

Then you can keep going with superstition and I'll stick with evidence. I disagree with your position: that it was okay for Trump to try to overthrow the government because he was so dumb that he fell for the most braindead conspiracy theories imaginable. And, yes, that is what you are putting forward.

 

No, that is your point of view, it isn't the only one. I'll tell you though, I don't see much from either side that makes me eager to cast a ballot.

 

It's the point of view that matches reality. Objectively. Trump did, indeed, try to do this. And you can't name anyone who did more.

 

Have you noticed that the more egregious the accusations the stronger he gets?

 

No. I have, however, noticed, the more facts we bring up, the more egregious the desperation from Trump supporters to run away and hide.

 

Now that's just silly, nobody is hiding or dodging issues. Said "facts" seem to have a way of resolving themselves.

 

I'm sorry that you think that facts are "silly," but it won't make them go away.

 

They seem to do that on their own over time.

 

No, I just know that dirt can be found on an anyone as none of us are pure as the wind driven snow. I also know that partisans will point out the dirt on the people they do not like while turning a blind eye or rationalizing away the dirt on the people they like.

Perfection is impossible, but Cheney is a paragon or virtue compared to Biden or Trump.

 

you and several Democrats!

 

She will have two rabid supporters, herself and her father. Everyone else will say “Ho-hum.”

 

What Trump demonstrates is the end of the neocon stranglehold on the Republican party and Liz Cheney is a neocon.

She was ousted in her state for being neocon. I think the party is rejecting her so go for my third party find by me if I vote third party it'll be for libertarians not for jackass neocons.

 

I'm reminded of that old joke 1985 called that wants it's politics back

 

Really have to love you Trump Haters. The only thing most of you have to go on is "I HATE TRUMP". I don't like Trump but I
have to except the fact that he may be the nominee of the Republican Party and Joe Biden may be the Democrat nominee.
In that case, if there is no 3rd party candidate that appeals to me, I will have to look at Trump and Biden and the party platform.
that they represent.

Principals before personality's. We all know Trump is a boorish oaf and Biden is approaching senility and maybe even
demented or has Alzheimer's. That said let's look at the agendas.

1. The border: Trump implemented building a wall to suppress the flow of illegal aliens, drugs, and terrorists. Biden
discontinued building the wall and opened the borders. RESULT: We have by some count almost 30 million illegal aliens
in the country, increase in drug trafficking, a uptick in illegal terrorist being apprehended at the border with many more
slipping through, Sanctuary city's and other cities being overwhelmed with illegals and being penned on the streets until
a place can be found for them. All social services are being taxed to the limit by illegals who are not contributing anything.
to the welfare of the country.
2. Crime: The Administration likes to preach that Jan. 6th was an attempt to overthrow the Government and yet not one
Capital police officer was shot. There was no bazookas or grenades tossed. The building wasn't burned down or destroyed.
It was more on the order of the Tea Party rebellion. Meanwhile the last 3 years have been destruction of Federal buildings
and property by the left. Roving gangs of leftist youths enter businesses and steal merchandise. Prosecutors are lenient
in their punishment and city officials hamstring police departments from doing their job. The Right wants more police,
stricter punishment for looters and those who have no respect for the "rule of Law".
3. Climate Change: The left gives the planet less than 10 years to survive. Meanwhile the USA has some of the cleanest air
in the country, safe drinking water and has a higher standard of living than most countries. The left believes you can just
pass laws and make mandates and it will save the world. The right believes that it makes more sense to gradually use a
combination of fossil, nuclear, and green energy innovations. The left would shut down every source of fossil fuel given
the chance. The right would restore the USA back to using clean fossil fuel rather than importing dirty oil from other countries.

4. Hate: Remember when Biden said he would bring the people together and restore our prestige overseas? Well from what
I see there is more discourse and animosity between the different races and religions in America than I can ever remember.
Trump was a S.O.B. to work for but he was not a dictator. He did not start any wars. He did not lock up people who disagreed
with him. Roe vs Wade was not turned over under his watch. He did sell his influence overseas like the present President.
All Trumps battles were with the swamp and those who had been screwing America for years. Bidens battles are with the
American people and how he wants to peanalize us for how we talk and think, what we eat, what appliances that make live
easier that we use, what vehicles we can drive. Those are more the traits of a dictator and a faschist.

 

None of this addresses what I said. I might come back and tear apart the other basic mistakes you've made, but you couldn't even bring yourself to address the first claim.

 

Do you have proof of that? What campaign workers and others do is not the same as what he did. I am not naïve enough to believe that our election process is not corrupt. It is practiced on both sides. I am sure if every ballot and every registered voter in Georgia or any other state was certified we would find cases of voter fraud. In some cases, maybe enough, to overturn an election. Do you believe that Kennedy honestly won Illinois? Al Gore swears he was cheated in Florida. Hillary still to this day believes she was cheated out of the Presidency. Trump also in 2020. It's a good possibility. In Trumps case I.M.O. there was no way he could get an immoral justice department or F.B.I. to investigate his claims. I do not understand why there are those who do not want voter I.D. You cannot convince me that voting by computer. vote harvesting and drop boxes are not corrupt.

 

exactly !!! What he has outlined as his "plans" is enough to concern any democracy , freedom loving person. Most other Presidents made it a point of presenting their ideas in an optimistic way and geared towards improving things for the population. This bloke , is hell bent on REVENGE and would use every tool he gains access to in order to extract the revenge he seeks from who he considers his enemies. ( real or in his paranoid fantasies )

But then , it seems that his HARD CORE s supporters want what he is offering. Maybe they should be careful what they wish for.

 

I'm not so sure what her effect would be. By policy obviously republicans should prefer her over Biden, and over Trump if they were moral, but I lost all faith in American voters the first time Trump was elected.

 

I don't think his core is that big, but it is significant.

6 in 10 Trump voters say there’s a ‘chance’ they choose another candidate: Poll | The Hill

 

It is probably because she is NOT an attention seeker , the way some seem to think.
She has also been writing a book.

 

That's a pretty low bar.

 

I agree.