Liz Cheney says she may launch 3rd party bid against Trump, claims he could end democracy

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  1. Bowerbird

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    “The left” didn’t fawn on him - there were plenty on “the left” including people like kieth Olberman who have been speaking out against him for years. It was the right who were drooling over the thought of him treating the White House like the Apprentice whilst anyone who had an education beyond middle school realised that that show a) was scripted and b) represented the worst type of management style imaginable
     
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    Sorry, history is stronger than your bias.
     
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    Not an attention getter? She was one of two Republicans who joined the January 6 committee which was nothing but a sideshow and political witch hunt which wasted millions of taxpayer dollars. It was so biased that it had no chance at getting at the truth or healing the nation. What was she thinking?

    All Republicans should condemn the events of January 6, including the stupid rally that Trump held. They were under no obligation to join the Democrat clown show, which was taxpayer financed entertainment for far leftists. It didn’t change any minds and was not concerned with finding the truth.
     
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    So, when Congress reps sit in committees, they do it only to seek attention....? But....isn't it their job? I get it you might condone Jan-6, but it was a significant event and had to be looked into.

    But instead of condemning Jan-6, they condemn anyone who condemns it (like Cheney)

    You said they should should condemn it, but now it sounds like they should not......
     
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    So, feel free to polish her paragon.... LOL
     
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    When you have a committee to investigate J6, but you refuse to call those in command that day,
    just to have hearsay witnesses take the stand and testify to what you want to hear,
    Its just to seek attention as nothing could ever be used to convict anyone.

    Would you like examples?
    They brought in Cassidy Hutchinson, who didn't witness anything, to claim Trump fought with the Secret Service to take over his limo.
    Yet when the Secret Service agents, who were there, asked to testify claiming it never happened, the fake committee refused to call them.
    Then they refused to call Sund, the Captain of the Capital police
    They refused to call the commander of the National Guard
    They refused the two officers at the Pentagon who told the NG to stand down.
    Or anyone who was in command that day.

    But we found out why they refused to call them when they testified to congress.

    Thats what a fake committee looks like
     
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    Trump was ordered to testify under oath and provide documents to the committee. And other witnesses were those who were there at the time, not hearsay witnesses.

    I get it you condone the attack, and that your leader was in the spotlight, but that doesn't mean it was a fake
    committee

    The committee recommended charges against Trump and others, and the trial date is set for March 2024
     
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    You can ignore the glaring obvious, but nobody else is.
    And there isn't anything you can state that supports this fake committee REFUSING to call the actual leaders in charge and key witnesses.
    Just in one claim alone of this ridiculous hearsay vomiting claiming Trump attacked his agents in the limo.
    Then when the SS agents ask to testify to debunk this idiocy, the committee refuses to hear them?
    And you just buy into it hook line and sinker. Amazing

    And it will be the same s*** show their impeachment hearings were with hearsay garbage until the actual individuals in command of the event are called.

    When you knowingly refuse to call the actual people in command, its called a coverup.
    And it will get exposed just like both fake impeachments were.
    Just like the fake Russia Russia Russia claims were.

    Tell me, how many times will you run up the hill when they cry wolf, to find no wolf exist?
    100? 1000?
    How are you so easily sold knowing this committee refused to call the actual key witnesses?
    You just want to hear what you want to hear? That does it for you?
     
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    I dont plan on running anywhere. I'll sit back and watch the trial in a few months.
     
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    You can play the ignore game all you want.
    Voters aren't.
     
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    No, We The People don't play games, which is why the attack on the Capitol is not taken lightly. You're the one ignoring it, not me,

    Have a nice day. I have nothing further to say about this knowing a true apologist will defend their political leaders to the bitter end.
     
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    Fake response out of context
    I never claimed we the people anything. I claimed YOU.
    Next

    Fake response out of context
    I never made any claim about the taking the attack lightly

    Fake response out of context
    I'm the one actually following the hearings with information you claimed you know nothing about

    Fake response out of context
    So you couldn't dispute the information I provided so now its on to apologist claims?
    This is all you have?

    When you can muster a response that has anything to do with the data I provided and not your fake responses out of context,
    You let me know.
    But its pretty obvious with your out of context post that you're not up to that task.
     
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    Don't forget: they also give high-fives to some of the perpetrators and record hit songs with some of those who attacked police that day.
     
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    I know. They call them patriots. Blind loyalty does that to people.
     
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    Cheney, unless she is really just stupid, will not run unless she already has significant donors committed to her.
    $$$ is always Job One for professional politicians. Unspent campaign funds will eventually legally end up in the pockets of the candidates.

    “Raising campaign money is not just about winning elections and staying in power,… the Permanent Political Class has come up with all sorts of creative ways to transfer those funds into other pockets, which can be accessed to enhance their own wealth and lifestyle. And they have carved out convenient loopholes in the law that allow lawmakers to legally convert votes into cash.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 4. (emphasis mine)

    So, she is either running for the money or secretly working for the Trump campaign -- or both. ;-)
     
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    Apparently she thinks that if voters democratically vote for Trump, that will be the end of democracy.
     
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    It was concerned with the truth. The problem is that the Trumpists didn't like the truth.

    In the words of Col. Jessep from "A Few Good Men"..."You can't handle the truth"

    Shortly after the events of 1/6 the Republicans dogpiled on Trump blaming him (correctly) for what happened. But then the unthinkable happened, Trump politically survived his outrageous actions of that day and the very Republicans who had been blaming him for 1/6 found themselves in the position of either backtracking their comments or losing the support of a large part of the Republican base that still favored Trump.

    Sadly far too many of them decided that sucking up to Trump was more important than actually looking into his actions. Rest assured that Trump will face the consequences of his actions surrounding 1/6 (and other actions of his administration). That's because courts only care about the facts. The whole reason judges are not elected is so they DON'T have to decide between doing the right thing and sucking up the people they want votes from. Trump is toast. The only question is how much is he going to burn to the ground on his way out.
     
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    Well, she's not wrong.

    Hitler was a democratically elected leader.

    Being elected in a democracy is not a guarantee that the winner is going to maintain the democracy.

    Trump has already tried once to hold on to power by undemocratic means...why should we believe he won't try again?
     
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    I don’t why you fear Trump so much? Of all the leading Republican candidates, he is the weakest in the general election and the one most likely to lose to Biden.

    Perhaps you should buck your party and ask them why they are running a crooked, worn out, senile candidate like Biden. Of the all the Democrat options, is that the best you can do?

    As for Trump, I wish he would retire. I don’t want the courts to block him because that sets a bad precedent. The courts should not block the voters. I do wish that there were some way to dump Trump in the primaries.

    It’s funny how you picked Col. Jessep as a hero. He was a kick butt, hard assed marine. I dare say there were a few who saw that movie thought he was the hero. You seem to have endorsed his quote, “You can’t handle the truth!”
     
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    He would end democracy given the chance. He's already tried -- probably more than anyone else in our nation's election history.
     
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    There is neither question nor doubt in my mind that he would end our representative democracy and make himself dictator for life. That is the only way he could end our civil rights and jail all his critics. Then he would pass leadership on to someone, maybe his kids...... if the public lets it go that long.
     
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    Given all the "modifications" to voting rights and selection of leadership that the Republicans have installed, a Democrat typically needs in excess of 60% of the vote in order to "win". And what if Trump legitimately loses? GUARANTEED he will declare it a "stolen election" again and then what will his armed "militia" thugs do?

    No way around it: if he runs, we're sunk. Win or lose, we're sunk.
     

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