Lucifer's fall was partly God's fault.

exactly!

He was talking to the idiots, who believe they are something special, when they are actually a part of HIM (mother nature) and that is what truth enables the mind to comprehend.

Liars continue to divide mankind from 'nature' (GOD)

ie... all mass, all energy, all time; the trinity as ONE (mother nature, itself)

'we' are its creations, within its body, alive in its time.

And eventually knowledge reaches its pinnacle and existence (mankind within) comprehends itself.

ie....mankind created the 'word' and the 'word' transcends time (knowledge is always evolving within the body of nature)

i rather like it when people judge the LIARS!

we 'can and are able' (our brothers keeper)

 

Oh, the joys of the Ignore List.

 

just an example of why popes and preachers had to learn the world was round from people who could care less about following the 'book' over pursuing truth


The fool ignors what is real

 

They do have free will.....they are not automations. But they are not free as God is or the way God made us to be free. We are in God’s image, so we ultimately are freer then they are. Angles are ministering spirits, sent to minister to human beings who will inherit salvation. We will rule over angels……we have a higher authority than any angel in Heaven.

 

Free will for angels? You know this?

 

You know for a fact that they don't.

 

Of course, I don't know this. One way or the other. Apparently you do know.

 

If angels did not have free will Lucifer would be incapable of rebelling.


Isaiah 14:13-14 (ASV)
13 And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

Satan is able to move about the Earth freely and have conversations and do things.

Job 1:8-12 (BBE)
8 And the Lord said to the Satan, Have you taken note of my servant Job, for there is no one like him on the earth, a man without sin and upright, fearing God and keeping himself far from evil?
9 And the Satan said in answer to the Lord, Is it for nothing that Job is a god-fearing man?
10 Have you yourself not put a wall round him and his house and all he has on every side, blessing the work of his hands, and increasing his cattle in the land?
11 But now, put out your hand against all he has, and he will be cursing you to your face.
12 And the Lord said to the Satan, See, I give all he has into your hands, only do not put a finger on the man himself. And the Satan went out from before the Lord.

These scriptures alone shows that angels have free will. What do you think.....do you believe angels are like animals that incapable of free will? Haven't you read where it says man was made a little lower than the angels? So if we have free will and we are a little lower than they are, where is the logic that angels don't have free will?

 

Verse 12 actually supports the view that angels do not have free will. God gave satan limitations as to what he could do. If he had free will he could put a finger on Job. Today, satan continues to have limits what he can do. Humans do not.

 

If Satan did not have free will God would not have to tell him not to take Jobs life. It’s like a police directing traffic and directing a driver to go the other way. The driver has free will but he can't go against where the traffic cop directed him to go or else he will suffer the consequences.

 

So, now you're saying that angels have the same free will as man? Can satan now take life? Can he control anything man does? Can satan have his way with man without man's approval?

 

No, I am not saying that.....man was made to be free like God is. But angels are just servants.....there power and authority is limited. But they still have free will.

God does not allow Satan to take a life unless God allows it. There is at least one example of spirit taking many lives. For example, the destroyer that killed all the first born of Pharaoh’s household and the Egyptians. Satan has sway over this world, because the Bible says he is the god of this world and he has deceived the whole world. But no, Satan can only do to us as we allow him.

 

I'm still waiting on scripture that specifically shows that angels have free will.
Please point to the scripture that satan is the 'god' of this world. I think you have confused this with a lesser term that does indeed lessen his ability to have dominion over the world. Would you agree or not that satan has limited powers over the unsaved equal to that of the saved? If not, does he have unlmited powers over the unsaved?

 

Satan is the god of this world.

2 Corinthians 4:1-5 (KJV)
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.


The Christians in Pergumum lived where Satan's throne is.

Revelation 2:13 (KJV)
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Seat
Greek Word: θρόνος
Transliteration: thronos
Phonetic Pronunciation:thron'-os
Root: from thrao (to sit), a stately seat ("throne")
Cross Reference: TDNT - 3:160,338
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: Throne


from thrao (to sit); a stately seat (“throne”); by implication power or (concrete) a potentate :- seat, throne.
— Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary


Satan is not all powerful......he is limited.

 

Thank you for pointing this out.

 

My pleasure. It would be nice if others were as receptive as you are. As I am sure you know there is nothing wrong or sinful in admitting that one was mistaken. The sin is only refusing to admit error in the face of scripture.

So thank you.

 

The devil does not exist.

 

You know how they used to say if you played KISS or AC/DC records backward you would hear a satanic message?... read "DEVIL" backward.







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