MAGA Republicans simply cannot govern

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    Your comment just proves that it isn't the weapons that are going to keep the government from assuming "total control" but the "consent of the governed". It doesn't matter if you have your AK-47 or not. If the government oversteps it's bounds and is unable to maintain public support then they will lose.

    The Taliban did not defeat the US militarily. We were unable to win the hearts and minds of the majority.
     
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    IF it came to that do you really think "government" would care? :shock:
    They can't "control" themselves. :wtf:
     
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    The government has to have a certain amount of support from the people.

    Think about how counterproductive it would be to destroy half the country.
     
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    IF "the people" need AR's to protect themselves from "the government" then "the government" has lost their support; wouldn't you think?
    Yeah, think about that next time you feel the need to support TRAITOR tRump.
     
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    If the Democrats get enough people up here with their open borders policy, they will be able to destroy half the country and get what they want.

    One thing that might pull the Democrats up short. After watching your country go to hell under communist rule, are the Democrats sure that huge numbers of the illegals are going to vote for a socialist party that tooks a lot like the people who ruined the place you left? How devout are the Catholic Illegals? Will they support abortion? Maybe if the Democrats give the illegals enough, they can buy them off.

    As a voter who would like to see Trump and Biden out of the race, one part of me would like see Trump disqualified. The trouble is who will be the DOJ's next political target? Has the justice system been corrupted for political purposes? That is a genuine concern.

    Let's put this way, if the Republicans controlled the DOJ. and they had Biden under 90 indictments all around the country, would you be happy? Would it concern you at all? If Biden is as innocent as you say he is, you would be upset.
     
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    I would be happy if they had the evidence to back up the indictments.

    Jack Smith and Fani Willis HAVE the evidence to back up the indictments against Trump. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being willfully ignorant or they don't understand the law.
     
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  7. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    There's no argument that you can make that will change the reality that an armed populace is harder to control.
     
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    Harder? Possibly.
    Impossible? Not by a long shot

    The question is balancing the safety of the citizenry against the likelihood of a totalitarian crack down by the government.

    We make these judgements all the time. A citizen armed with a fully automatic weapon would be harder to control than a person with a semi automatic weapon but we have deemed that fully automatic weapons are too dangerous to be widely available. Same with Anti Tank weapons or personal SAM weapons. You are not allowed to own mines or hand grenades.

    I think it is obvious that we are too far on the side of fear of a totalitarian government and not enough concern for the safety of the citizenry.
     
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    If it wasn't impossible, then Hitler wouldn't have disarmed the Jews. Stalin wouldn't have disarmed the Russians. Castro wouldn't have disarmed the Cubans. Mao the Chinese and the examples go on and on throughout history.
     
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    It made it EASIER.

    Even if the Jews had had weapons they would still have lost to the German government. Why? Because Hitler had convinced the majority of the country that the Jews were a problem that needed to be addressed.
     
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    I wasn't making an argument that an "armed populace isn't harder to control". I'm confused, are you for or against the 2nd amendment?
     
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    Then perhaps you will call George Soros DAs to account who won’t prosecute repeat offenders. I know George is one of your guys, but letting repeat offenders walk is outrageous. Even woke San Francisco had had enough with their Soros sponsored DA.
     
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    LOL!!!

    Is that an attempt to justify wanting Trump to be free to use violence to conquer democracy?
     
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    The damage was done by those dictators achieving power.

    Guns didn't stop that.

    In the USA, insurgents (including elected leaders and supported to this day by Republicans) nearly conquered our democracy.

    In no way did our MASSIVE ownership of guns protect our democracy.
     
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    Those dictators used guns to take power.

    And they were unarmed. Great job at self-ownage...lol
     
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    Untrue! They were very "armed".
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    Republicans have a long history of being very united in opposition when out of power. But once they gain power, become in charge, that unity disappears. They fracture into many splinter groups. They spend as much time if not more fighting among themselves as they do the democrats. Foreign policy has always been the GOP strong suit. Domestic policy, no way.
     
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    Hitler gained power through a series of electoral victories. And, I think you are ignoring the reasons the others gained leadership.

    Those who assaulted democracy on Jan 6 included those carrying arms and did include violence. People died.

    The point I made is that the popular ownership of guns had nothing to do with saving our democracy.

    In fact, the idea that guns COULD have been a factor in favor of democracy on Jan 6 is ridiculous. There was no popular force prepared to defend our democracy, and the mere ownership of guns was clearly irrelevant.


    This is the thing about the 2nd amendment. Our founders knew it would take a well order militia. That's why the justified gun ownership - NOT as providing lethal weapons for Americans to shoot each other on our streets and classrooms. The rulings on personal ownership have been flat out absurd - ignoring HALF the 2nd amendment.
     
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    A lot of the domestic policy failure is simply failure to focus on actual issues. Of course, there certainly are the moves against women's health care and on education at the state level. But, McCarthy is stuck herding cats who never should have been within a country mile of federal office.

    I don't agree on the foreign policy issue. Our decisions to conquer Iraq and Afg were a multi trillion dollar Republican disaster featuring US casualties of our best, with no useful outcome in terms of our own national defense or improvement in governance. Through Republican efforts throughout all administrations from 2000 on the US has aided Israel in the continuing humanitarian atrocities they commit in Palestine, demonstrating our refusal to support the most basic of America's values we like to claim in all our interactions with other countries.

    How can other countries POSSIBLY take us seriously when we proclaim how great our values are or use such to justify actions we take?
     
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    But! It's extremely unfair to compare Hitler to TRAITOR tRump!
    Yes, he's evil
    We all know he's evil
    But! He's certainly not as evil as ...

    ... TRAITOR tRump!
     
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    isn't that what compromise is for? The problem with the GOP is that they go after only Democratic causes while leaving their own causes alone. We did have an agreement in 2012 with sequestration, but even the GOP renegged on that deal.

    Look, if you want to reduce spending, first things first, look at the DoD procurement budget with defense contractors wanting 30% above any reasonable cost estimates. With the F35 and any other defects from ships, planes, and other equipment we purchase, have them pay out of their own pocket for those repairs and so forth. Want to get rid of handouts, fine, but also include the farmer subsidies that the Department of AG sends out every year. That would be a good start.
     
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    It’s interesting you go after defense first, and only, but you want to spend ever increasing amounts on the Ukraine.
     
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    You ignored the Soros issue.
     
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    Well, if it's like the last shutdown, the National Parks will close and thousands of private jobs that rely on National Park tourists will
    be out of work and businesses will be hurt - so once again the ****ing MAGA politicians will be killing private jobs. May they rot in hell.
     
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    Republicans are either paid shills or Zionists.

    Democrats are either paid shills or Social Marxists.

    All of them serve the same master(s) the Jews. Go ahead and pick your stupid color as to what you believe to be right in this political clown show. The only meaningful decision is either the removal of the Marxists & Zionists or the death of the West.
     

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