Many Christians are hipocrits about athiests...

I see alot of two types of posts on this forum.

The first type if done by far right christians and other religious nutjobs who condemn athiests as minions of Satan and talk about how evil and immoral they are.

The second type of post is by these same christians, complaining about being insulted by athiests. They whine and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about how athiests treat christians, completely forgetting that just a few moments prior, they had posted a thread about how anyone who does not beleive in god does not deserve to live.....

 

#1 - Satanists describe themselves as atheists. That is a fact, not atheist bashing.

"They [Satanists] generally regard themselves as strong Atheists, Agnostics, or Deists. Membership numbers are kept secret and are quite impossible to estimate."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis2.htm

So, how do we tell the difference between an 'atheist', and someone who is motivated by Satanic influences?

Please bear in mind there are plenty of atheists down here who scream that atheism is whatever they want it to be, so how do you exclude Satanists? While allowing Buddhism under the guise of atheists?

So, to clear it up, most Christians, in an academic sense (not personal opinions) view atheism as self worship (which is incidentally what Satanists preach as well), with a few atheists genuiney motivated by Satanic influences.

#2 - Atheists do pretty much seem to define themselves by bashing Christians and others.

http://www.atheists.org/religion

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In fact, the scions of atheism pretty much ALL define themselves by attacking Christianity. It defines atheism.

Now, lets compare.

http://www.catholic.org/

http://www.elca.org/

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/

So there is a corss sampling of conservative and liberal churches, and pretty much none of them have a prominent hyperlink to atheist bashing, nor do they spend a great deal of their time blaming atheists for the world's dysfunction (as atheists do us).

Nevertheless, atheists are not insulting at all, infact, they are actually receiving FAR more then they dish out, and are in fact worse off that slaves so down trodden are they?

Nah, the criticism of atheism is invalid ... because al Christians are invalid - which is where atheism started. A self fulfilling prophecy

 

Satanists are Atheists? That's a new one on me... I thought Satanists worshiped Satan.

 

Yes, most Satanists consider themselves Athiets....but all athiests are not Satanists. Most Christians however, consider ALL athiests to Satanists

 

Oh please not all Christians are stupid...........

 

Agh, they call him the father of lies for a reason.

Even atheists do not appreciate it much

 

Atheists in general do not believe in superstitions.. or the supernatural.. They are indifferent.. They don't worship Satan...

Have you ever known anyone who worshiped Satan???

 

Who gives a darn? Just tell Natural that atheists = Satanists so he will shut up about it and FINALLY make whatever point he is going for. Who cares but him and his kind anyway?

Natural is just picking at you folks and since YOU REALLY DO treat atheism like it is your Religion, you are letting him get to you. Call me a Satanist. Heck, I am Satan Himself. How about THAT, Natural?

So go ahead and FINALLY make your point. We are all dying to hear it.

 

Unfortunately yes.

I have also met several former Satanists. What they tap into .... is dangerous.

Satan is quite real, as just God reveals himself to his true followers, so to does Satan his.

 

Its a simple fact Maytag, many Satanists pass themselves off as atheists. Is it honest? No. Do I think that most atheists are Satanists? No. Do I think there are Satanists who call themselves atheists? You bet?

Do I think that there is a disjuction between atheism's claim that there is no God, and a single minded focus on bashing Christianity? Yes.

Much of it is skepticism, but at some point you have to understand that, whether you like it or not, there are Satanists in this world, and they have a goal regarding God.

That would include tapping in atheism when atheists do not suspect it.

But, you atheists speak of proof, so prove that no Satanists are passing themselves off as atheists (even as they state this publically) and that this is some kind of Christian conspiracy.

I hate to say this, but another atheist asked me today about 'God causing us to hate our families'. It is lunacy, and, of course, Matthew 10 does not quite say it that way. Bringing the word is struggle, and Jesus was honest about it.

Regardless of what atheists think about the reality of Satan, his followers are out there, and they claim your mantel to hide themselves and adance their agenda.

Be skeptical about Christianity, but be skeptical about those things that are so anti-Christian that they seem beyond reason. Most likely - they are.

 

Satan is a character of the judeo christian tradition and theology, therefore satanists are christians.

islam evolved from christianity, islam and christianity are just complementing religious ideologies. therefore christians and muslims are the same mindset, kind of like hitler was stalin and vice versa.

 

Well, very few of Satanists actually believe there is a factual Satan. Satan is just a symbol for the stuff which is attributed to him in the Bible, which mostly happens to be freedom, reward in this life, acknowledging the human nature. Thus, it also incorporates self-worship or human-worship.

 

I am NOT an Atheist... and Atheism isn't a religion.... Its an Absence of religion.

 

actually traditional satanists throughtout the ages beleive in satan as the biblical christian deity

its not until 1960's that a contemporary spin off movement of satanists moved away from this, just viewing satan as a symbol for human values they admire.
kind of like the 'sunday christians' of the satan world.
one of the reasons they did this is they didnt want to be identified as part of the christian religion.

 

THat is absolutely stupid.

#1 - Satan exists in all the Abrahamic Reigions, so even if he were ours, that would make them Jew-Christian-Muslim-Ba'hai.

#2 - When you choose the opposite of Christianity, you are not Christian.

Anything to smear Christians though.

 

No. Anton LeVay simply made a bunch of stuff up, his 'ideology' is laced with anti-Christian teachings.

Real Satanists, including those that flock to LeVay's church, still practice and when you get through the lies, Satan is very much at the center of it.

 

All Satanists are Satanists. Not all Satanists are theists, not all Satanists are atheists.

There are those who worship Satan for his resistance against an oppressive god, either as a god himself or not (no-one says what you worship must be godly), there are those who worship Satan as the only god and there are those who do not worship anything supernatural, only humanity, humans or themselves. All these are included in the word Satanism.

If you want to talk about those who worship Satan, say "Devil-worshippers" or "Satan-worshippers" or something. If you want a certain kind of those as described above, you might want to tell us which ones you are referring to. These are not atheists (well possibly if worshipping Satan as a non-god and not believing in an actual god).

If you want to talk about those who worship humanity, say "Humanity-worshippers", or "LaVey Satanists" if you want the particular subgroup.

If you follow these, there will be no confusion. There is no need to use words that include people who would make your statements incorrect.

 

And behind all that is the reality of why we call him the father of lies.

At the heart of Satanism is Satan. It may manifest itself in different ways, but when you peel back the onion, what is central is Satan - in every case.

All Satanists are by definition theists, they know God is real - save the servants who have simply been fooled into denying God by buying the lie.

 

so who started the topic. A christian or anti-christian. THAT oughta tell you the story on who stirs the pot.

 

And what sort of basis do you have for believing that? Out of the countless websites, books, speeches and otherwise saying that they're not, have you even read a believable source claiming the opposite?

Yes, to some extent, they worship Satan, but Satan is not in all cases defined to be a god or a counterpart to the Christian God. The most common example, LaVeyan, uses Satan as a symbol, not a god, and deny other gods. How is that by definition theistic?

The fact that what is called Satan is central in all versions of Satanism is not an indication that they all in fact worship the same thing, it is an indication that they have different understandings of what they mean by "Satan".

The great majority worships Satan for its representation of humanity, not as an ultimate evil.

 

Another reason they did that spin-off is to enable them to hide behind that deceptive shield of 'fuzzy words' which would appear to most people as "Oh OK maybe they are not so bad after all", the mindset of someone that has been deceived by the 'niceties' of the world view. Subtle changes over a given period of time will erase many things.

Example: Centuries ago and on up until about 1936, the thought of women exposing their bodies in public was taboo. But over time, the lustful advantages of such conduct blinded the eyes of many people including people who call themselves devout Christians. Now, today, in this society (US) it is not un-common to find nude beaches and even if the beaches prohibit total nudity, the use of the thong swimming suit has skirted the law and still provides ample exposure to promote a lustful way of life. "Girls gone wild". Young women, barely past the age of consent (legal age) believing that making movies with them exposing it all, is the 'in thing'. Subtlety is the chiefest and master tool of Satan when it is exposed to time.

EDIT:

Correction on time frame:
"Predecessors of the bikini date to antiquity, in Çatalhöyük[9] and the Greco-Roman world.[10] Art dating from the Diocletian period (286-305 AD) in Villa Romana del Casale, Sicily depicts women in garments resembling bikinis in mosaics on the floor.[6][11] The images of ten women, dubbed the "Bikini Girls",[12] exercising in clothing that would pass as bikinis today are the most replicated mosaic among the 37 million colored tiles at the site.[13] Archeological finds, particularly in Pompeii, show the Roman goddess Venus wearing a bikini. A statue of Venus in a bikini was found in a cupboard in the southwest corner in Casa della Venere, others were found in the front hall.[14] A statue of Venus was recovered from the tablinum of the House of Julia Felix,[15] and another from an atrium at the garden at Via Dell'Abbondanza.[16]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini

Perhaps man is devolving ... going back to the barbaric ways of the past.

 

Lets just say I have had the pleasure of meeting a demonologist and several former Satanists.

The fact that Satanists write a bunch of garbage for public consumption does not mean its the truth.

If you call yourself a Satanist, and think yoru belief does not involve Satan - you are simply a liar.

But then, we call him the father of lies.

If you doubt this, and even as atheists talk as you, they also try very hard to both dissasociate themselves from Satanists - to make them anything but atheists.

Even atheists know these guys lie.

 

i dont think its a stretch to surmise that """some"""" satanists will believe in satan as just a symbol, but not an actual deity.
as you get """some""" christians that see jesus as the same, that being either a symbol or just a spiritual man, but dont believe in the resurrection and all the other supernatural stuff.

 

Anyone who would explore the concpet to the point where they would term themselves a Satanist and follower of Satan has progressed well beyond the symbolic stance.

Simply put, there are no cultural Satanists.

 

That point could be easily argued by pointing out the fact that those cultures are usually found in what could be commonly called 'covens', though covens normally apply to groups attending the practices of Wiccan beliefs, the term in its' generic form could also be applied to known groups of people who do in fact practice Satanism.