Many Christians are hipocrits about athiests...

you would say that, you are a christian

 

Of course, Christians like facts

 

Christians worship christ..... So a person who worships Satan can not be sindiered a christian......That is like saying George Bush is a Democrat because he ran against them...

 

I have met people who are Satanists and people who have been Satanists, people who have explained their views. I don't see why your Satan-worshippers speak for my human-worshippers.

I have however not met any demonologists. After all, they don't need any.

Nor does it that the view of your few Satanists speak for the thousands of Satanists in America or the rest of the world.

As stated before, Satan is central in all, but Satan is not the sort of god/demigod commonly thought of to all.

I said this before. Of course, you are allowed to discuss it, but if you're only going to repeat what you've already said, I'm going to stop replying.

It's a case of correction. If a person is a theist and you call them an atheist, people are going to correct you with the same vigour as if you claimed that Gene Simmons was the singer in Queen.

I am no Satanist but I respect their views and will defend it with the same vigour that I defend any religion.

If given an example of a person who believe in deities being called an atheist, I will call BS, regardless of if that person is a Satanist, a Christian, a pagan, a parrot or a bic pen. After all, some Satanists are theists, some are atheists, that I have never denied.

 

That depends. Satan is often considered an alternative or adversary of God and many Satanists believe that the Christian God exists but disagree with him.

Of course, Christianity is defined as "a monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings." One can follow Jesus view on the existence of God to the extent of being a Christian without agreeing with God. This again can be a bit fishy since religion is ill-defined and "based on" is not a very precise wording. Whether you could say that they are Christian depends on how "based" on Jesus' teachings their beliefs have to be to qualify. That, of course, is not properly defined and a conclusive answer does not exist.

 

Then why do they call themselves Satanists?

There are plenty of nature worshipping religions, indeed Paganism.

You've simply bought the tea.

I'll bet you hang out with Satanists every day now, and they are therefore true?

Again, when a expert on demons and those who follows them explain it to you, perhaps then you will understand.

The idea that Satanism does not involve Satan is just a big fat lie, especially when you see things like this:

"When the Satanic Bible was written (1969), a nude woman was customarily used as an altar, since Satanism is regarded as a religion of the flesh, not of the spirit. She reclined on an altar that was trapezoidal in shape, about 1 m high (39") and 2 m long (79") and placed against the West wall of the room. Her head pointed South. A live altar is now rarely used in the CoS."

What does a naked female have to do with 'nature'?

It has everything to do with a Satan centered on flesh pedalling.

"Members enjoy indulgence instead of abstinence. They practice with joy all the seven deadly Christian sins (greed, pride, envy, anger, gluttony, lust and sloth)."

Again, what does this have to do with nature?

Has everything to do with the Biblical presentation of Satan.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis10.htm

Buy the tea and drink it if you wish, if you respect honor and integrity, I would begin by questioning those Satanists who appear to frequently tell you about what they believe. They lie.

 

That representation thing simply isn't sinking in, is it? Satan represents humans, humanity, fulfilling of desires. It is Satan as good as any Satan even if it isn't your vision of a fiery, horned demon. The name Satan was taken because Satan of the Bible already stood for those concepts when people started considering those options.

I don't believe I have said anything about nature. If I have, it would be "human nature", ie, humanity (not as a body of people but as a collection of features). Humanity-worship is not the same as nature-worship.

They have no more or less bearing than yours. The difference is that I don't claim that mine speak for yours, I'm quite sure your kind exists as well, but you claim that yours speak for mine, you deny the existence of the Satanists I speak of, that they are non-existent, while I claim nothing but that your kind don't represent 100% of Satanists.

Do you not realize that I do not challenge your statement that these Satanists exist? I challenge your statement that no other Satanists exist.

I doesn't matter if it makes perfect sense when your guy explains it if it isn't applicable for others.

This is like the third time I repeat that no-one has said that Satanism does not include Satan.

What does Satanism have to do with nature? How a naked female relates to human desires, I will leave you to find out on your own.

I don't know what flesh pedal means. According to google, it's a sound effect generator.

Only mention of nature in the wiki page is "lower nature of humans". The "sins" are part of human nature. Do you deny that?

No mention of the Christian Bible anywhere in your link, only the Satanic Bible.

So mine lie to me but yours cannot possibly lie to you? And yours speak on the behalf of the tens of thousands of Satanists?

 

I don't think atheists or atheism have anything to do with religion, but merely with a lack of belief in supreme beings.

a·the·ist
   [ey-thee-ist]

noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

From dictionary.com

 

I agree with you on this point. The reason why people say that Atheists are anti-religion is because, for most atheists, God is that supreme being that they don't believe exists. In the beginning, I think they said this to the religious world and that world got angry at them and it set atheists and religious peoples apart, and since then they can't stop arguing about it.

 

Of course there is no mention of the Christian Bible, just all the principles that are spelled out in the Bible as bad and of Satan.

Yet somehow they come from nature, and not Satan. Interesting isn't it?

Enjoy the tea.

And no, in nature, its survival of the fittest, not gluttony and debauchery - that somehow has mongamy as the preferred witha smash on site list.

 

I consider myself atheist, but don't make a big deal about it. I seldom use the word. I was forced to go to a Southern Baptist Church every Sunday morning, Sunday evening and Wednesday evening until I was 12 years old. I refused at that point and believe me, that was not a popular decision in our house at that time!

I defend Christians when they are denied praying or using their symbols in public places. I don't understand why so many people try to force their beliefs, or lack thereof, on others these days. I must say that I don't like it when tax money is used to promote religious things, but in communities where the taxpayers all agree, why should it be anyone's business?

 

Thank you for this post, Rain. I really like the fact that you posted this, and even as a thoroughly religious person I agree with you. I don't think that anyone should force their beliefs on anyone. It's rude and uncalled for. Why can't we just agree to disagree? You believe that there is no God. I believe that there is one. Does it matter if we disagree? Why do we have to fight it out to prove which one's right. We can't do it. Those of us who are religious feel it inside of us that there is a supreme being out there watching and caring for us, and the atheists believe that there is no such person. It's about us. As long as neither of us attacks the other, it's only going to affect ourselves - it shouldn't matter to someone else. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like many people understand that.

 

christianity isnt a fact

 

satan is an invention of the christian religion, therefore satanists are inverted christians

 

What is an 'inverted christian'? I have never heard that expression before.

 

'inverted' means opposite or upside down

figure of speech

 

Just thought I'd point out that the 'Seven Deadly Sin' are not Biblical canon. They are part of the poem, Dante's Inferno or the Divine Comedy, written by Dante Alighieri.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy

Funny though when Christians actually believe the Seven Deadly sins are part of the Bible...

 

OK. Then you meant to use it literally. OK, but I have not seen too many Atheists that are upside down, so I would have to assume then that you were simply meaning the opposite of Christians. Cool... there was no hidden meaning. I like that type of civil response.

 

The "seven deadly sins" are actually 'vices' that will cause a person participating in those vices to inevitably lead the person into deeper transgressions.
http://keeptencommandments.info/keep/the_7_deadly_sins_of_the_bible.phtml
A pretty good study on the subject. Short and to the point.

 

so as all the christians are now equating satanism (whether it be literal or cultural) is worshipful, have they now dropped satanists = atheists line?

 

I have personally posted a thread about atheists playing the victim card but this obviously doesn't refer to that one. There was no complaint about how atheists treat Christians nor was there anything stating atheists don't deserve to live (or are in any way, inferior to Christians, for that matter).

What's interesting is that you cite only the hypocrisy of Christians and only the attacks by Christians. While I agree there are certainly Christians who are both hypocritical and hostile, there are definitely atheists who are equally so in both ways. They claim that "others" should just leave them alone and not worry about their beliefs - and then start multiple flame-threads about what? The beliefs of Christians. That would be the hypocrisy part.
The attacks are even more obvious.
I would find a thread by an atheists that commented on the difference between Christ's teachings and what Christians actually do, counter to those teachings, to be more genuine and credible. Not many of those, though.

 

If you're satanist you can't be atheist, because you believe in a god.

 

Is Satan a God?

 

Well, yes, it's Satanism.

The name Satanism was taken because the Biblical Satan represented the things they wanted to represent. That doesn't mean one believes in the actual slithery, physical devil.

Are you just not reading what I am writing? Nature has nothing to do with this discussion. "Human nature" does and things like gluttony and lust is a part of our human nature. Do you contest that?

Again with the nature. Don't know why you want to bring evolution and survival of the fittest in here. You claim that there is a lot of Satan-worshipping around, yet you wish to acknowledge the evolutionary concept that says that disfavoured things, such as Satan-worshipping, disappears and more easily defendable concepts, such as LaVey Satanism, remain.

Through evolution, gluttony has become a part of survival of the fittest since the chance of overeating was so small that it didn't affect the evolution. Well, of course, it introduces the concept of being full, but that's about it.

Now pretty please start reading what I write before you go off on your own tangent.

 

Concept of god is poorly defined, which means several versions of god can be use. Satan fits into some, and less into others. By linguistic rule, one is allowed to go either way.