Map showing where the murders are in the U.S.

Why?

 

Sure.

 

Hmm. Being cold makes people drink?

 

I'm not sure political spectrum (left vs right) is a great way to measure homicides ... just saying...

 

worldwide-your point has merit. Nationally, not so much

 

To convince people of this, first you must demonstrate the necessary relationship between the two.
And you cannot.

Unsupportable nonsense.

 

And thus, the -actual- reason your country has significantly fewer mass shootings than the US.

 

Didn't you see the map?

 

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, it doesn't have much merit within the US either. The OP map only makes it look that way because it uses raw murder numbers rather than per-capita rates and so is essentially just a map of population density. The reasons for murder, and violent crime in general, are many and varied. If we'd ever been able to identify any singular causal factor, we would have addressed it a long time ago.

 

well we know that whites who are in the bottom ten percent of income commit far less murders than blacks in the same or even higher economic strata.

 

Yep. I did.
Can you explain your reason?

 

It's also known males in general commit the majority of murders.

 

To ban cities?

I'm not actually recommending that we ban cities. Sorry I was being a bit tongue in cheek. That's not really obvious sometimes in writing. Interesting that you took it so seriously though.

 

Actually, I don't take anything you post as serious.
But I gave it a shot.

 

You probably shouldn't. Some things are pretty far above where you reside.

 

Thanks for posting a map that may show more than just numbers.

On the other hand, I think that it is noteworthy that over 60 countries around the world have higher homicide rates than the US and also have some of the strictest gun laws on the planet.

With this proof that stricter gun laws do not result in lower homicide rates and the common sense reality that criminals, by definition, don't obey existing laws, I can't see how anyone cold believe that additional gun laws would do anything to lower America's homicide rate.

Gun control advocates frequently try to compare America to "developed" countries(1) that have much stricter un laws and lower homicide rates.
What they ignore is the fact that these "developed" countries are very different from the US and that these "developed" countries have much more affordable and accessible mental health care.

While it's cheap and easy to crank out additional gun laws, things that are cheap and easy rarely work.

Upgrading America's mental health system, however, will be neither cheap nor easy but it is the only way we're going to reduce America's homicide rate.

Thanks again,



(1) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"

https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only...political thinking,with fewer guns per capita.

EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so." CONTINUED

 

Correct. Like never never land.
Reality is always better.

 

Gangs will always be funded with some criminal action until the majority of kids in ghettos are raised with a committed mom and Dad in the home. Until then...gangs will prevail. For instance...shop lifting and selling stolen items online is turning quite a profit for these organizations. Legalizing drugs won't stop criminal behavior.

 

I really only take away from this map that homicides are more apt to occur in larger populations. That makes sense as more people interact.

What would be more useful is to nail down the percentage of homicides that are gang related. I know OKC and Tulsa both have gang problems and MOST homicides here are gang related. If people want to lower deaths then it's time to have an honest discussion on why kids are drawn to gangs.

 

A sense of belonging.

 

So...what creates this need to belong to a criminal organization. This need to belong to a criminal organization doesn't exist in the majority of America's kids.

 

Nothing like what the drug war funds them though

 

Lack of YMCAs?
Boys and girls clubs?

 

DP ruled urban hell holes are very dangerous.
Keep away from them -- if you can.

 

Bad guesses. Try a lack of Fathers in the home . Multiple baby daddies, parents involved with drugs, alcohol and crime. I think kids are trying to fill a void and gang culture is available.

Interesting thing is that I work with white kids with those issues in the home...and they struggle with all sorts of obstacles and behavior issues. But being tempted with gang membership doesn't seem to be a factor. For now.