Mass Shootings-Why Do We Insist On Thinking Anything Can Be Done?

See bolded text in the above quote. Doesn't point number 2 contradict number 1?

Schools can afford School Resource Officers at the moment can't they?

Isn't minimally trained teachers better than untrained teachers?

What do these fanatics mean by "restrict access to schools?" I've never heard of this before.

 

Dunno. Tell us. Then tell us why.

 

Wow... why do people who know nothing about guns think they can make cogent arguments about guns?

 

There are NOT 300 million rapid fire firearms in the United States. That is those built specifically to fire large numbers of rounds rapidly. But a person can adapt virtually any firearm to put a substantial number of rounds in the air.

School resource officers are generally poorly paid. Poorly trained. And ill suited to deal with a suicidal killer intent on mass murder.

No. Minimally trained is worse than nothing. Because it might encourage a person with little training to start throwing bullets around in an active shooter situation causing more harm than good.

 

Why? Who cares? What are we going to do about it?

 

I think we've as a society already decided all of this is what we’re prepared to live with as americans. That we begin to pretend to talk about it every time a mass shooting occurs is redundantly silly.

 

Thanks for another non-response, shoog.

 

Did you say nothing again hon?

 

Oh, the irony. Shoog.

 

Tell ya what, you have the last non-word and a lovely weekend.

 

I would, but you keep posting...

 

Oh you'll have the last one.

 

Only if you stop posting.

 

I don't think you understand how this works. In order for him to have the last word, you need to stop replying. See how that works?

 

If Cruz was unable to get a semi-auto but only a pistol, the shooting still would've occurred. It fires a fraction of a second slower than the gun he used.

So it would be a bit of a jump in salary costs but the idea of a national initiative would be that it is funded by state and federal governments as additional funding to what schools currently get. And if school shootings are such a "minimal danger" then why should the rights of 100,000,000 gun owners be taken away just for the "minimal danger" of further shootings? If you believe that preventing school shootings is worth taking the rights away from 100,000,000 gun owners then you also have to believe that preventing school shootings is worth an enormous cost of money in making schools safer. Either that or you hold a double standard I'm afraid.

And regarding the special forces type guys, sure it's probably not realistic that there will be enough of these to be shared around all of the schools but I didn't say that it HAD to be these guys. Somewhere in between school resource officers and special forces will be just fine I think! But aren't school resource officers just normal cops who have had normal cop training? I can't see why they wouldn't be capable of engaging a kid.

I'm sure that guys like @TOG 6 and @6Gunner or any gun man will tell you that it doesn't take much training to hold a gun, point it in the direction of someone and pull the trigger. All without having to "throw bullets around" which I would assume would be much harder to do than simply pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger! Surely someone would have to work pretty damn hard to do that!

What do these fanatics mean by "restrict access to schools?" I've never heard of this before.

 

Can you explain why other countries made these Military type guns illegal have had no mass shootings sense?

 

The overwhelming majority of mass shootings have been done with non-military type guns.

 

No. Can you?

 

You do know I'm AGAINST additional gun control measures don't you?

And simply being able to point a gun at an active shooter and fire accurately. A person has to do with with dozens, scores or even hundreds of running screaming students in close proximity to them.

Only highly relentlessly trained hostage rescue teams have those skills. And to develop those skills it would take more than a school employee who might go shoot at targets on a range once a week (at most).

 

Because in those countries, there is no right to bear arms. And it is the right to bear arms which is mostly to blame for kids
getting guns and committing mass shootings in America. It has NOTHING to do with "military type guns." That is a myth.

 

Actually, no. You were coming off as control control advocate. Now I know that you are. So what are your ideas then for how to stop school shootings or mass shootings in general?

So if a clear shot is not able to be taken, is the alternative really to "throw bullets around" like a mad person? The idea would be that they would only pull the trigger if they had a clear shot. Isn't that just logical?

Why have you ignored for the second time now my question regarding this? What do these fanatics mean by "restrict access to schools?" I've never heard of this before.

 

Most countries used as examples didn't have many mass shootings to begin with so the absence of them after strong gun control measures were implemented means nothing. Australia had that spree shooting at the tourist area. Britain had the school shooting. Norway had the right wing lunatic go crazy (and he did kill some with explosives too). But how many mass shootings did those nations have before?

 

A) The whole point of this thread is that there is very little that can be done to prevent school or other mass shootings in the United States.

B) People even trained soldiers and trained police officers are prone to panic in certain situations.

C) I keep hearing about how schools can lock all entrances and/or have them guarded and/or have metal detectors. That is what I mean by "restrict access" I was pointing out that would make no difference. Look at the Jonesboro, AR. middle school shooting in the 1990s. the two boys involved did not bring any of their weapons inside a school building.

 

Actually, after going back to the first post to see what it was originally about, I now know that you are the thread creator!

Here you say that "very little can be done", however you are much more pessimistic in your opening post, where you say, "I don't believe anything can be done."

To be honest, I'm not convinced either about arming teachers. I was just playing devils advocate.

You don't acknowledge how much more deadly shootings are inside the confined space of a building? All because of the one outdoor school shooting of Jonesboro, you wouldn't support measures to try to prevent future indoor school shootings which all other previous school shootings have been and are likely to continue to be the most common? Really? Surely you can't be serious.

 

What I'm saying is that even if it becomes IMPOSSIBLE for a killer to gain access to the interior of a school, students outside congregating to enter the school or just exiting the school still represent a huge and inviting target for a mass murderer.

For that matter, what about school buses? Millions of students board a school bus daily. While aboard a bus they are utterly vulnerable.

And they'll remain that way.