Maui Forest Fire: We need to change the Global Warming narrative

That’s not a plan. Thats just a long winded bumper sticker

 

They did and manufacturing moved to China where they pollute even more than if we left US plants alone. Are you suggesting we do more of that?

 

That scenario had not occurred to me, but it definitely what will happen if we force more of this green baloney on our manufacturers.

That is an unintended consequence and unintended consequences has ruined many plans.

 

It's also a fact that the Earth have been warming and cooling for millennia.

Your facts are not facts, they're political propaganda. Ironic that you say this thread is not about AGW science and then your entire thesis is based on AGW. Maui ie extreme weather not AGW. In fact, there's some talk that arson may be involved because of recent past events. It is way too early for hypotheses.

 

Biden’s Response When Asked About Maui Death Toll Is Truly Cold.

 

Problem is that CO2 is a relatively minor player in GHG warming; water vapor and aerosols are far more potent GHGs.

 

So, full blown communism?

 

Not really, it would be fascism or crony capitalism. If you look at the billionaire backers of the climate change scare mongering, you will quickly see that they intend to extract hundreds of billions from the middle class and working class using the guns of the government to do the stealing. Nothing they have proposed has a hope in hell of reducing global carbon emissions, it will simply make China hegemonic, themselves even richer and erase the shattered remains of the American middle class.

 

Over 6000 were killed by a hurricane in Galveston Texas in 1900. No fire to speak of. The hurricane flattened the place.

 

WTF do you think the “Paris Agreement” was all about? You know the international agreement to do exactly as you suggested that Trump pulled you out of?

 

Hmmmmm and how well built were those houses? What was the warning systems like? Was there any flood mitigation in the area?

No one is saying that we have not seen climate extremes in the past it is just that now 1:1,000 rare circumstances are happening much much more frequently

 

AND do you know the biggest billionaire convincing people to hand over their hard earned money? Rupert Murdoch and his disinformation empire. They have you so convinced that “De eeeebil scientists” are going to rob you that you do not see the rip offs and obscene profits Rupert and his oil rich buddies are making

 

Pretty much like what happened in Maui. No warning, except it was fire instead of flood. Houses that weren't built to withstand unusual fire conditions. Other fuel in abundance.

The conditions that hit Maui are not dependent on global warning. They were a set of circumstances which happened to occur at the same time which resulted in a disaster beyond all expectations. A hurricane about a thousand miles to the south which tended to compress the pressure gradient near Maui. Venturi winds swirling around the island. A power system that was not designed to withstand the winds.

 

Pure nonsense.

Real scientists have been beating the warning drums for years about the importation of non-native plants into Hawaii and the fire hazards of them for years.

If AGW was such a major problem they wouldn't have to keep lying about the data and methods of measurement.

 

Not to belittle some 1,000 people getting burnt up but 1,000 people is any typical weekend's worth of fentanyl overdoses- right smack here in the continental United States.

Biden hasn't said anything about that either as far as I know.

 

I would really like for someone to point to a single doomsday prediction that has held true.
Its hard to give these "climate experts" any credence when they're telling us to buy electric vehicles and give up plastic straws when they flit about in their private jets.

 

And when Australia burnt in 2020 America’s right said “don’t blame climate change”. And when Pakistan flooded America’s right said “don’t blame climate change”. And when Hurricane Maria hit America’s right said “don’t blame climate change”.

You know I came across a video the other day of Carl Sagan testifying before congress on climate change - in 1985!!

Nearly fifty years ago

 

Exactly. Zero predictions from the last 60 years have come to pass from any of the gloom and doom climate types.

They don't see the irony of their spokesperson being a child that has to keep deleting her tweets every 7 years or so.

 

Yeah because fires, floods and hurricanes are a new phenomenon.

 

The climate has changed since our universe was created billions of years ago. The fires in Maui could have occurred at any time during those billions of years if there had been a spark to start the fires and the fuel to burn. It had little to nothing to do with climate change.

 

This is correct. What happens here is that sodium metal reduces the hydrogen in water to H2, under acidic conditions creating sodiumbicarbonate (baking soda) from CO2 (the acid) in the process. The sodiumbicarbonate can then be stored away, resulting in removal of CO2 from the air. The problem: The sodium metal has to be regenerated (re-reduced) from Na+ (most likely NaCl salt), which requires energy. And that's the problem with ALL carbon capture or removal techniques, they require energy, actually a lot of it. Why is this the case? Because fossil fuel burning, releasing CO2, is associated in a large increase in entropy, which is part of the reason why the free energy change of the reaction is so favorable. This is because more gas molecules are produced than existed as reactants, and gas has a higher entropy than liquid. Therefore, by using carbon capture, one negates part of the beneficial free energy change that burning of fossil fuels has in the first place. In my view, carbon capture is futile, it would be much better to reduce the burning of fossil fuels to begin with.

BTW: I hate it when articles like the one cited there make claims that are scientifically totally wrong. It gives the whole field of climate science a bad name. Most likely it is because the author has no clue about science in the first place.

 

It comes down to a single fact. It takes more energy to recover hydrogen than it provides.

 

That's true for everything. In a cyclic process, usable energy is ALWAYS lost to heat. It's true for the economy, too.

 

So, you're entirely willing to ignore that Hawaii Power and the state of Hawaii entirely failed, because, in your mind, ifs and buts.... Yeah, that's a good strategy. You might have just as well blamed racism....

 

And government? Do they also have a responsibility here? So when Joe flies around the globe because vacationing is the right of the dementor in chief, what is his responsibility? Or Khamal Two? Or, for that matter, little Butti... When do you suppose that the elite in government are going to reduce their footprints?