McCarthy is out (210-216), how the media reacted immediately

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Within the last 30 minutes, the motion to vacate succeeded (for the first time in US history, to note) and McCarthy is now no longer Speaker of the House of Representatives.

    Here the immediate headlines:

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    And as a bonus, two headlines from Germany:

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    This thread is purely for informative purposes.

    I do think there are some important lessons to be learned here.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

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    It was a fait accompli as soon as the former Speaker agreed to allow one member to call for a vote to oust him.
     
  3. Hey Now

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    Let all be Frank, this is what Crooked Donnie wants.....ETTD.
     
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    I’m glad my neighbor grows popcorn. :) It’s already getting entertaining and the Presidential campaigns aren’t even fired up good yet.

    I’m so thankful I don’t have to care about this nonsense.
     
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    This is sheer stupidity by the handful of Republicans. This is really bad for the country, but great for Democrats.
     
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    Gaetz relied on democrats a heck of a lot more to get his resolution passed than McCarthy did to avoid a government shutdown. What does this say about Gaetz? Perhaps a pseudo democrat in republican clothes. 8 Republicans, 208 Democrats, 8 republicans voting with 208 democrats. Gaetz couldn’t have done without his democratic supporters.
     
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    We told y’all what was going to happen if y’all hitched your wagons to team maga. And the Republicans didn’t only do that, they let them completely take over in less than 6 years.

    Lady G tried to warn y’all.
     
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    Those two things seem to always go together.
     
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    What is it? Why was McCarthy ousted? Is it that McCarthy voted to keep the Government from getting shut down? It seems that the Republicans want their way and they didn't get their way, so they voted McCarthy out. I don't think that's going to solve anything here. There are Republicans in congress that want their way like bad behaving.children act. It's uncalled for and that's what I think of this situation being the way it is. You have to ask yourselves: Why did this happen? I can't say anymore at this time.
     
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    Republicans always prove they can't govern.
     
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    This is scary. The extreme right won today and democrats voted alongside them.
     
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    More democrats voted to oust him than republicans
     
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    You think you’ll get more of a moderate speaker or an extreme one. The few republicans that voted to oust him wanted the government to shutdown. All Democrats voted side by side with them.
     
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    Since this thread is about reactions, I'll mention that, at least on MSNBC, I think the pundits are being too quick, in proclaiming victory for the Democrats, in today's vote, while praising Hakeem Jeffries' ability to keep all the Democrats on the same page, voting to remove McCarthy, not even making it a tiny bit easier for the former Speaker, by any of them voting "present." Personally, I think McCarthy was their most concrete chance to get the full budget passed, without a shutdown. I think we have to wait until the present CR (continuing resolution to keep the government funded) runs out, and see where things stand, before we can call this a Democratic triumph.

    For the record, after several decades as an independent, I now definitely consider myself (and am registered as) a Democrat. But I am also a pragmatist, and the kinds of complaints I am hearing that Democrats had about McCarthy, just seem naive-- like that after they "helped him" avoid a shutdown, he went right out and trash-talked them. First, didn't Dems, also, want to avoid a shutdown? If so, then their voting to fund the government, was not a completely selfless act, on their part. Secondly, McCarthy's talk, is all just a show. There is next to no chance, that any Republican Speaker, is going to be able to govern in an openly bipartisan way, in a coalition with Democrats. So, the choices are to have:
    1) someone who needs to talk in an adversarial way about the Dems, to keep Trump from turning against him, but in the end, will allow Dems to help vote through the budget that he'd negotiated w/ Biden, which all the leaders had agreed upon, and which almost everyone but the Freedom Caucus wants; or
    2) someone who means what he says, when he calls the Democrats, the bane of our country, and who feels not the least obligation to honor the deal, negotiated by McCarthy.

    If Dems wanted to be rid of McCarthy, all they would need do, at any time, is let it be known that they would no longer save is ass, in a challenge to his Speakership. As soon as these appropriations bills got through, and we were no longer facing a funding cliff, Dems could have then cut him loose.

    As far behind as the House already is, in this process, though, I don't know how anyone believes that there is time for a power struggle, to sort out the Republican Speakership. But that won't even begin, of course, until the House returns from the week, they are now
    taking off!

    Hey, Democrats deserve a little time, to celebrate their big win!

     
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    Not our clown, not our circus. We do not vote to save the skin of a Speaker who sells out to the most craven, radical and cynical of opportunist MAGA House members time and time again.
     
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    We don't really know that for sure, and you're guess is as good as mine. The Rebublicans didn't want to avert the shut down. The really don't care about anything except themselves and many of them are still connected to Trump.
     
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    I do not think that 8 extremist republicans (your party) will overpower the will of moderate republicans and elect a more extremist Republican that wants to gut government even more.

    So to answer you, I think we will either get a Republican that will tell maga to go fling themselves off a cliff (metaphorically) or we will remain shutdown.

    And I hope — America will see what happens when you elect republicans and 2024 will be the red wave y’all thought was coming 2022, but it won’t be in your favor — it will be where Republicans are washed out the door. Project 2025 fails, demographics turn even more blue by 2028 as gen y & z become more political active.
     
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    Two lessons:

    Don’t sell your soul to TRAITOR tRump, to become Speaker. IF he doesn’t stab you in the back, he’ll have his minions do it.

    Matt Gaetz is a dumb SOB, I don’t see this working out well for him.
     
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    I agree; the Dems vote maybe wasn't in their best interest.

    But they probably couldn't miss this opportunity to expose the inability of the Repubs to govern the country. Add to that that their vote probably was directed at Trump at least as much as at McCarthy.

    I believe that they expected McCarthy to be candidate for re-election.
     
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    Why wouldn't we know that? It is not a private vote, but a voice vote. You could have watched it, on T.V., as they went alphabetically through all the Representatives, to get each one's "yes/yes" or "nay/no." And, FYI, the Democrat/Republican mix, was not even close. Of the 216 who voted the Speaker out, 208 were Democrats (out of 212 Democrats-- but the other 4, I'm pretty sure, were among the 9 members who never voted at all). Only 8 Republicans voted to remove the Speaker.
     
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    The lesson here is that A government shut downs have never demonstrably hurt Republicans caving to Democrats has. And yes this will likely hurt Gaetz among the wagging tongue set, and among the DC donor class as government shutdowns invariably cost them money and make no mistake that's what this is about. We cannot keep kicking the can down the road ad infinitum whether anyone in DC other than Gaetz and his handful of supporters recognizes that fact or not.
     
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    Then why don’t they put up some items that will actually have a chance of working with strong public support?

    Healthcare reform, immigration reform, tax reform, cutting agencies that cannot pass an audit (cough * pentagon * cough) or items that will actually benefit Americans such as investments in AI, microchip manufacturing, automation development, autonomous driving…

    But instead all we get is let’s destroy government

    I guess we shouldn’t expect anything different from the party whos leader retweeted the only good democrat is a dead one.
     
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    Beautiful headline, “Enough Republicans join Democrats to oust house Speaker McCarthy,” I love that headline, it tells the truth. Enough or 8 republicans joining 208 democrats. Perhaps those eight ought to change their party registration.
     
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    I did watch some of what led up to voting McCarthy out.
     
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    We know this number down to the exact vote and who voted in which way.

    There were 8 Republicans that voted to oust him and 208 Democrats.
     
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