Men - What do you propose to do to effectively reduce the abortion rate?

I'll go you one more. It is a man's responsibility, especially a father to make sure that a fatherless girl has the same care. Family members first and then extended but somehow girls who have lost a father figure need to be taught that they are a princess, a daughter of the king if you will. I know you know what i'm talking about. These girls are at risk, for the taking by a predatory young male or even an older one. They need to know that THEY are special.

 

Not very helpful so I'll guess I'll create my own starting point.


Why is it even necessary to reduce abortion rates?

 

You tell me the good in keeping abortion rates up. How does that help society and/or the country? Or forget that. How does that help the individuals concerned?

oh by the way. Cute screen name. very juvenile.

 

Yes, too often the ones that don't supplant the empty place with a 'bad boy' who has supplanted his missing father with a gang. Why is the father missing? Because the 'powers that be' in our government have either consciously or un-consiously rewarded fatherless families. Sorry for the rant...

 

Lowers crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect


Not for nor against it (even though I really should be for it based on the data).

Just wondering why it's necessary to actively pursue lowering abortion rates, that IMO are not problematic.

 

I used to agree with that because I thought that society's luddite, parasites would eventually exterminate themselves which was the original intent of PP all along. Come to think of it.....Naw....Well, maybe....I'm torn on this one.

 

You are talking about chaining culture and to do that I would suggest changing the advertising culture

There are those on here (who have once again earned a place on my "Don't Bother Reading" list) who would have you believe the current American culture is somehow all the fault of some evil, unnamed but unidentifiable group of women in on some sort of conspiracy to warp values.

Truth is we are allowing the advertising industry to fashion values on a daily basis. We need to look no further than the sexualisation of children in the media as well as the association of sex with many products to see where the real fault lies

 

The 'industry' has supplanted traditional morals and values with moral relativity in past decades to match what it perceives is the the pervasive and prurient interests of its 'fans.'

In the past, Hollywood had at least some code of ethics. That is all gone now and Hollywood is still more popular than Jesus. (to steal a phrase from John Lennon) What did we expect kids to do? They have no set of standards other than what they see on TV, the internet, their 'smart' phones, etc.

Their parents are most often portrayed as bumbling fools with the the father-figure as the reigning idiot.

Their schools are teaching them that the environment is shot, teachers have sex with little boys, to stop being prejudiced against gays, blacks, women, and the drunk guy down the street when they hardly recognize what prejudice is in the first place then they teach them to go ahead and have sex 'cause they're 'going to do it anyway' and that any accidental conception can be sucked down a tube without mommy or daddy knowing.

 

I would be completely against abortion, but if you were to say we had to still leave abortion legal i would do a couple of pretty obvious things:

1) I'm sorry but you are going to have to pay for it. Why should the government have to pay for something that is your responsibility (unless there are some special circumstances like perhaps rape)

2) I would fix our screwed up adoption system so pregnant women could see that as a viable option.

I think those two things right there would REALLY have an impact on those needless abortions.

 

Kids can handle advertising IF they have a strong ethical base and a strong family. It is the lack of moral guidance that gets most kids into trouble. This world is full of temptations, pitfalls etc. and every kid will have to navigate their way through as they grow older.

 

On what basis do you disparage modern values? What makes traditional ones better?

Is that your experience or just a very naive assessment of reality?

 

For the same reason they pay to fix your broken leg.

Adoption not an option to abortion. It's an option to keeping and bringing up your child yourself.

Personally, I'm against adoptions except a last resort. I believe children should have the right to be brought up by their family whenever possible.

Why?

 

Well the biggest complaint I hear for abortions is that the adoption system is horrible. Which is agreeable, but I think a hard life is better than no life... And no I don't think the government should fix their leg either!

 

how hard and who is to make that determination?

 

how about a government appointed panel. Does that make you feel good.

 

What are modern values. Can you link that or list them?

 

Everything that is not traditional I suppose. No I do not have a link to them.

 

Nobody. Everybody has the right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness. No matter how old or how young.

 

Do you even know what it means. Can you give me one, just one, rule of the modern values? if that is the correct term?

 

No you are wrong - one of the biggest barrier to adoption is sheer numbers

Do you honestly have enough people willing to adopt to take every single aborted foetus? Year after year?

As for a "hard life" - guess where "street kids" come from. And at that we are better off than many parts of the third world

 

we don't have kids in this country to adopt. And those that are adoptable or at least in orphanages are there to stay. The State doesn't make it easy so that's why americans go elsewhere to adopt. I'd say that there are a lot of people willing to take these children. And maybe if the mothers didn't use sex for entertainment with the intent of using abortion as birth control, then there would be no need to find homes for these aborted fetuses.

 

If adoption was a viable option, and we created a reasonable foster system then yes, I think it would be fine. So your argument is abortion is okay because otherwise we would just have too many precious little babies to deal with? Better to just kill 'em so we don't have to work so hard..............

 

1. Stop providing BC to women through health insurance.
2. Continue to cover Viagra through those same health insurance cos.
3. Institute the National Sarah Palin Abstinence Only Education Program (after all, it worked so well for Bristol!).
4. Make sure that sex is not discussed in the classroom. That's for parents!
5. Ignore all the above and try reality.

 

I sincerely hope you don't have and/or never will have children.

 

Including pregnant women.