Men - What do you propose to do to effectively reduce the abortion rate?

Given that 50% of the responsibility for conception relies on, shall we say, male input - how then do you propose to effectively reduce abortions? In particular I am interested in how you propose to reduce unwanted pregnancies in women.

And it is all very well to say "I would not have sex with the woman" but this thread is not about that.

It is about how we can make a larger number of men within society more responsible for preventing abortion by preventing pregnancy

 

Make it illegal and continue to educate on birth control methods that focus on PREVENTION!

 

However the point of this thread is not about the legality of abortion - which will not change your abortion rates but how we can increase the responsibility of males in regard to prevention

At present there is an approximate 5:1 ratio of female contraception to male contraception and yet women are the ones most often blamed for unwanted pregnancy

 

Well raw actual factual data shows that legality increases the rate dramatically, so you are wrong on that point.

Where did you get those stats?

 

Personal responsibility. It is the only effective avenue for anything. Practice responsibility, good judgment, and self-restraint and set a good example for others to follow. And when life throws you a curveball, step up and handle your business like a man instead of running scared to the abortion clinic like a little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

The perception is what has to change. When the perception changes, the culture changes. As long as we live in a culture that glorifies irresponsibility, then people will be drawn to destructive behavior. Because it's what they see reinforced all around them.

Focus must be placed on the natural benefits of responsible sexual behavior as well as the natural negative consequences of irresponsible sexual behavior. Currently, we do the opposite. We glorify the fun of the "sport(*)(*)(*)(*)" and condemn the idea of self-restraint as a "buzzkill." We live like immature children who do not want to grow up and become adults. And as such, we are constantly looking to weasel our way out of everything instead of handling our responsibilities like adults.

In short, people have to want to change before they will change. All the laws in the world won't do anything if the desire is not there. Just look at the drug culture. Despite its illegality, it is more popular than ever. Because we glorify the party aspect and gloss over the deaths and overdoses.

If you want to reduce abortions, start with yourself. Do the right thing and set a good example. Don't lecture but show other people why their own lives would be more enriched and fulfilled by living like you do. Give them something to aspire to. It is a very slow process, but it is built on a much more solid foundation than simply coming up with a catch phrase and clubbing people over the head with it until they become brainwashed by it (i.e. "my body, my choice").

 

Can I visit history again for an answer? This is a VERY interesting question. And most human questions have at least one answer in history (in my humble opinion).

There were many advanced societies before ~4000 BC that had solved this question. The common point between all of them was that they took people's sex lives out of the private domain and conducted everyone's sex life in a "publicly" regulated manner, rythmically and "ritualistically". Even the gnostic christians did this when they organized their church ceremonies together with their community sex lives into the same multi-pair sessions. And captain Cook in the 1700's found a much better working sex culture in the South Pacific than our western "not-my-problem" style sex lives.

I guess, when sex is classified as a public function, such as the above, the responsibility that comes out of it can't be pushed over to someone else. So there are no unwanted pregnancies, no births without a place in life, and consequently no need for abortions.

 

Nobody is suggesting such things. In actuality, there is VERY little NEED for abortions now. It is not NEED thta drives the abortion industry, it is want. SO if we merely held people accountable for their own actions, and prohibited homicide by abortion, there would be no need for relegating sex to a public event.

 

Nobody is suggesting such things. In actuality, there is VERY little NEED for abortions now. It is not NEED that drives the abortion industry, it is want. SO if we merely held people accountable for their own actions, and prohibited homicide by abortion, there would be no need for relegating sex to a public event.

 

Wrap it, and make sure your lady friend is diligent about her BC.

One of my girlfriends thought she was being smart about her BC by taking it every morning with breakfast. She would then go and puke up her breakfast. And her pill.
Yeah, I told her to get on the nuvaring stat. Pill doesn't work if you don't keep it down. Frankly, her boyfriend should have asked her about it to make sure she wasn't screwing it up. Especially since she wasn't very smart.

 

Well one thing abortion does is prevent intellectually deficient genes from moving into the next generation. At the very least, it should lessen the passing on of faulty moral codes.

 

Quite the eugenicist you are. Margaret Sanger would be proud.

 

Sex is that leads to abortions, and half the people can't be expected to use their heads instead of their lower body parts. I know a (very sweet) but strange girl whos philosophy is that every boy who "loves" her "gets his". There are many more girls like she, and even more guys who pretend kindness for it. She had a few abortions, but her search of love will not stop and she will definitely not stop a guy because he hasn't or doesn't want a condom, as typical. I respect her for her brave nature of giving sex to so many guys. And although she has never been my real girlfriend, I must accept that the reality of life overrides thinking when it comes to basic needs. She will need abortion providers for the rest of her life, and it would be a shame if she gets trapped by some anti-abortion legislation. What accountability are you talking about?

 

Why does the girl need a pill when the guy uses a condom? And doesn't the pill have a side effect on the girl, considering it is a foreign chemical?

(I think that if I was a girl, I would just put the condom on the guy and not bother with a pill.)

 

Being accountable for taking the risk she knows leads to pregnancy. It just isn't that complicated. She will NEVER "need" an abortion provider, she will likely want them though.

So women are too stupid to manage their own sex lives? That is what you appear to be saying. Others here have said the same thing though trying to justify abortion homicides, so you aren't the first (that's what she said).

 

Hmmmm - and you are up against a whole advertising and media industry - good luck with that endeavour

Score for probable success given the odds against him: 0/10

 

I was speaking of types of contraception - there are more than 20 different female contraceptives but there are only four common male contraceptives

The male contraceptives include

withdrawal
vasectomy
condom
and tie it in a knot - oooops I mean abstinence

 

Even with "perfect" use of the condom three women out of a thousand get pregnant with "usual" use that rate rises to 14%

http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/summarychart.html

And these are the very pregnancies that usually end in abortion simply because they are by nature, unwanted pregnancies

 

Because 2 forms of birth control is better than 1.
Different pills have different effects on different women.

 

Expand sex education and make contraceptives freely available.

 

So your insinuation that men don't use them as often as women do was just deception and misinformation?

 

Stupid? I like that word too. HAHAHAHAHA Elsewhere I like calling entire populations stupid. But this time, I must ask you: why didn't you rather ask me instead: whether my mother put lipstick on her forehead when she made up her mind about having me?

I think calling the girls stupid is an incorrect judgement, considering that we guys do the same and even more. It is a simple statistical fact that (the younger) half of the population thinks with their dicks/boobs, but we MUST do this, to avoid becoming liars when we get old. I think most of us would agree that it is better to be stupid than to lie to ourselves, and then lie to others too to convince ourselves of our own lies.

I don't think that it is possible to know the risks that lead to pregnancy, even if they are obvious. Your reality is defined by the programming you got where you come from. And that is never objective.

Generally, this whole thing is not gender specific, because both sexes must agree to absolutely every opportunity for physical sex with everybody, to keep the stack rolling, otherwise how will we ever find the girl/boy that we will be able to stay with?

Only the consequences are gender specific, namely biological pregnancy. So abortion is only a gender specific tool to balance against this. This forces the question: why does abortion have to be such a big deal? Don't we all prefer a level playing field?

 

Well I asked a question, I didn't label females stupid. Most of what I see here from abortion promoters leads to that conclusion though!

 

Wait, you say you didn't label females stupid and then you basically admit that you did label females stupid? Huh?

 

Men can reduce the abortion rate by keeping their pants on. Oh, but wait - men have a right to have sex, don't they? It's the woman who should keep her legs closed. Silly me.

 

The misconception was all yours

But consider for every "loose woman" who has an abortion there is AT LEAST ONE male who got her there in the first place (I know I know a large proportion of married women have abortions but I was thinking of overall statistics and some women DO have multiple partners, as do some men)