Might we be seeing indications that Israel is just not PREPARED to deal with terrorists?

I see no evidence that you have any such posts, so, I think it's clear what the issue is with you.

Gaza deliberately invaded Israel, targeted, raped and beheaded civilians as a strategy.

Israel has done a better job preventing collateral deaths than even the US army did in Mosul, and up until that point, that was the best job ever seen by a modern military.

COME SEE THE ANTISEMITISM INHERENT IN THE LEFTISM: NBA Star Gives Jersey to October 7 Victim’s Family. Enraged Fans Object.

Nice gesture, who could that possibly bother?

And the hate poured in from the Left. The same folks trying to stop the IDF from doing humankind the service of wiping every inch of Gaza free from terrorism, are some of the same folks who lost their minds at this act of kindness toward a victim of the Gazan massacre of Jews.

 

Of course you don't. And it would be as easy as reading the OP. However, the topic of this thread is "incompetence". And you have provided a great example of it.

No they didn't! HAMAS did! If that's what you're looking for, you will most definitely NOT see me saying such nonsense.

 

Hamas was the ruling government of Gaza

Gaza invaded, deliberately targeted civilians, raped, murdered, beheaded as a strategy and now are losing the war they started.



Gazans brutally raped Naama Levy, proudly paraded her before cheering Gazan crowds, thrilled that she was raped brutalized and taken hostage.

This precious young peace activist is the Great Granddaughter of a Holocaust survivor.



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'In an article written for The Free Press, Naama's mother, Ayelet Levy Shachar, writes "You have seen the video of my daughter Naama Levy. Everyone has. You have seen her dragged by her long brown hair from the back of a Jeep at gunpoint, somewhere in Gaza, her gray sweatpants covered in blood.'

Israel is doing a tremendous job ridding every square inch of Gaza of terrorists, while doing the best job the world has ever seen by a modern army, of limiting civilian casualties. Certainly a much better job than Gaza did, who deliberately targeted young Jewish women for rape, torture, murder and even beheaded babies.

If Gazans want the IDF to stop, they need to release every hostage and surrender every terrorist. And they have absolutely no intention of doing so. Gaza is striving for the survival of their remaining terrorists, so that they can reconstitute and continue their war of genocide against the Jewish State of Israel.

So, I disagree with your claim. Israel is doing a tremendous job in Gaza to the benefit of the civilized world.

 

It kinda seems like both sides of this issue (Israelites and Palestinians) are dominated by leaderships (Israel and Palestine) that will settle for nothing less than the total eradication or removal of all the other sides people.

If this is indeed the case, then there can't be a reconciliation until one side 'wins' (which I guess is not reconciliation...), or both sides can effect a total change of leadership.

 

I don't agree with that.

The Pro-Hamas forces are demanding a resolution similar to what the world imposed on Germany after WWI.

Defeated but essentially unchanged as a nation. Well, and we all know what happened, they reconstituted, rearmed, and launched WWII.

Then the world, with this lesson fresh, demanded unconditional surrender and then occupied a de-nazified Germany.

Bribed Joe and the Pro-Hamas folks are demanding a 1918 Germany solution.
The IDF and everyone with a brain are looking for Israel to impose a 1945 Germany solution.

 

How is the '1945 Germany' solution different than what Israel has already been doing for decades? Cuz it doesn't sound different to me, and it hasn't been working.

 

They are surrounded by a region that has already been successfully cleansed of Jews. There is no way to make their situation worse. No country can attack Israel and win, so the Palestinians are used as pawns by the Jew hater countries.

 

Do you think that occupied Germany could have been paying the families of suicide bombers if they murdered Americans, like the Palestinian Authority does to this day if Palestinians murder Jews?

If you have a better answer than Israel occupying Gaza like we occupied Germany and Japan, after WWII, I'm all ears.

 

I don't have a better solution. All I'm saying is doing more of the same isn't going to suddenly have better results.

Perhaps there is needed a neutral third party to 'govern' Gaza. Who that could realistically be, I don't know. Has China taken a side yet?

 

It's not the same. The German and Japanese governments would have never been allowed to pay suicide bombers families, for killing Americans, while we occupied Germany and Japan. The Palestinian Authority does, to this very day.

No. Once a country launches a war of aggression and loses, it's perfectly proper for the defending nation to occupy and administrate the country until it can be turned over to a peaceful government that will not attack again. That's what we did with Germany and Japan, and I don't see a better solution for Gaza.

I have no idea why you want to involve a 3rd party, they will never defend Israel's interests as diligently as Israel will.

 

Somebody needs to defend Palestine's interests too. Israel isn't. And neither is Hamas (and Hamas IS the de-facto govt of Gaza).

 

Here's something to leave a bad taste in your mouth. The USA has been bombing targets with drones for years. Not just a single bombing. They left, turned around, and came back and bombed again, killing any onlookers who had gathered around the car.

And we straight up murdered a CNN news crew.

Eventually, we learned not to broadcast that media, and people just forgot about it.

 

I'm not aware of those specific incidents, but in general yes, we tend to sanction for ourselves the sort of thing that Israel has been doing. And Russia for that matter.

 

Gaza launched a war, a particularly vile and horrific war, and are going to lose it. If Israel goes the occupation route for Gaza, styled after the US occupation of Germany and Japan they will look after the interests of Gazans just as we looked after the interests of Japanese and Germans.

Launching a war, losing and being occupied by the folks you attacked is certainly no fun, but, I assure you that Gazans rights will be far more protected during Israeli occupation than Jewish rights would be protected under a Gazan occupation.

 

From the perspective of the Gazans, Israel launched the war in 1947 (or 1956 depending on which ones you ask). You can disagree with them all you want, but its not going to stop them from fighting, and that's (supposed to be) the goal.

 

1947 was 77 years ago
10/6/23 was 6 months ago.

77 year old events do not justify deliberately raping and murdering young women and children. Gazan is being conquered and occupied for what they did on 10/6/23, and what they are doing, now. They are shielding terrorists and holding hostages, including US hostages.

I can not tell you what Israel is going to do, they tolerate a lot. We would never tolerate a government within an area we administrate paying families of suicide bombers for slaughtering US civilians, but Israel has and does, to this very moment. I can only tell you what I would do, I would pacify every square inch of Gaza, while limiting collateral damage to best of our forces ability, and the IDF is doing that. Once pacified, I would hold military tribunals for everyone who was involved in planning implementing and carrying out the 10/6 attacks, and if convicted and sentenced to death, I'd publicly hang them, as quickly as possible.

Military occupation would ensure an end of the current practice of UN sponsored education in Gaza that teaches and promotes suicide bombing of Jews.

It may take awhile. The Federal Republic of Germany wasn't formed until 1949.

 

I want to know once and for all what is the real reason for the Palistinian Authority's payout. Is it really about supporting terrorists? Or, is this actually a form of welfare to the poor family because they won't have a child to support them in old age?

You see, I've noticed that a lot of the Muslim countries (well, actually Pakistan in particular) are poor, and it's because they have a large portion of their budgets supporting the poor. They're not investing money for profit. They get that from their religion. Support the poor. It's not a matter of making money. They don't have a free market. It's against their religion, and at least they do something for the poor rather than what we do in the West with income inequality and homelessness.

 

One idea tossed around that didn't seem to take root, was having Saudi forces occupy and administrate the Strip. In my view, Gazans would find much better and humane treatment under Jewish occupation than they would under Saudi occupation.

 

Let us know what you find out.

 

04/05/2024
Does the Palestinian Authority pay the families of terrorists?

The Israel Times answer (ZION, 2012):
Yes.
Although the way the article makes it sound it seems like it’s some form of universal basic income. The longer you are in Israeli prison and not working you get money for that missed time. Another thing that might happen is that poor, desperate families are hopeful that their children will grow up to become prisoners so that they can make money off their children. A rather corrupt and unloving family structure.

I wanted to get another source besides Israeli media, but I couldn’t find an unbiased source.

Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund (Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund, n.d.)
Yes.
You’ve got an old-fashioned Wikipedia page there is a fund that Palestinians can get by harming Israel and performing violence against them. Oh, there is no doubt that the Palestinians are all guilty here. Or at least the power structures are guilty. Not an angel among Palestinians east or west of Israel.

Works Cited
Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund. (n.d.). Retrieved from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

ZION, I. B. (2012, September 3). PA spends 6% of its budget paying Palestinians in Israeli jails, families of suicide bombers. Retrieved from The Times Of Isreal: https://www.timesofisrael.com/cash-...on-per-month-compensating-security-detainees/

 

Nothing justifies rape and murder. But most Gazans have not raped and murdered and are not holding hostages. A few of them are, the rest are just stuck there. You cannot 'pacify' a suitably determined opponent. Israel has been trying for ~77 years.

The simple fact of the matter is that Gazans will not submit to Israeli rule. The options are- continued and escalating conflict, or, something different than Israeli rule over Gaza.

 

It sucks to have a government that starts such a vicious war and then loses. Something we most certainly should keep in mind. Are you confident that We The People control our military?

 

The press has made the terrorist into looking like mental disorder people. Half the country will use that in attacking Israel in there attempts in self defense against the wackos.

 

I agree. On the Israeli side, that is the goal of Netanyahu's government. But since it is impossible that any side "eradicates" the other, Netanyahu's tactics have devolved into something akin to ethnic cleansing. Which is a violation of human rights. However, under international pressure they have made some attempt to restrain themselves. The result is to reveal total incompetence.

 

Israel is doing a great job with the Gazan terrorists. They have swept them against the Egyptian border. It's Time for Israel To Finish Off The Gazan Terrorists.

'Six months ago, Israel suffered the largest slaughter of Jews in a single day since the Holocaust, with over 1,100 killed and 134 hostages, Americans among them, still languishing and tortured in the terror tunnels of Gaza.'

And Leftists on US Universities cheered the rapes, murders tortures and the taking of hostages.

'Just days after the brutal coordinated attacks by Hamas, former president George W. Bush spoke these rather prescient words: "It's not going to take long for people [to say]: 'It's gone on too long. Surely, there's a way to settle this through negotiations. Both sides are guilty.’ My view is: One side is guilty. And it's not Israel."'

'Bush was right, it didn’t take long, it took six months.'

Feckless Bribed Joe, 'bowing to the far left of his party, is pressuring Netanyahu to end the conflict, with or without, it seems, the release of all the hostages or the total defeat of Hamas. Thankfully, some Democrats, such as New York Rep. Ritchie Torres and Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman, are resisting these cowardly calls.'

'Meanwhile, Trump had a different message to Israel, telling radio host Hugh Hewitt this week, "They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast."'

Finishing is the total destruction of Gazan terrorists and the surrender of Gaza.