Monsanto In The News Again

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  1. Eadora

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    Russia is selling least contaminated and most natural foods in Europe. This became their pride and brand name quality. They are considering new legislature to criminalize GMO products in Russia. The purpose is to protect natural quality of foods in the country.
     
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    Right
    By Western Standards they are so backwards refusing to use the latest
    pesticides and GMO foods.


    Looks like Backwards is the new Forwards.

    Consider
    monsanto-no-food_6384a.gif
    They're patent rights give them a piece of the profit in nearly every seed planted.​



    Moi :oldman:
    Monopolies have become the way of the 21st Century. :steamed:
    Just the way bobov :nana: likes it.




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    Moi, you know I abhor monopolies. I have denounced the effects of monopolies for years both here and on other boards we've joined. The worst sort of monopoly is the monopoly imposed by government, from which ordinary people have little or no recourse. The monopoly over public education is an egregious example, only now beginning to be resisted. Re seeds, I think farmers and consumers should have choice, rather than having a monopolistic government choose for them. I have no objection to markets being required to label their produce as GMO or non-GMO, so consumers can choose, but banning GMO produce shows the monopolistic "we know better than you" mentality. You libs have got to get over your self-conception as the elite qualified to run everybody else's life.
     
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    It seems the time is coming for them to make a U-turn at least in some countries.
     
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    It's probably a rumor, but I heard that Putin threatened nuclear war if they planted GMO's in Ukraine. He doesn't want the bees to be killed off. :frustrated:
     
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    Some GMO foods have been a good thing for the world in most cases and I am for the label to be put on packaging because the consumer should be allowed to choose.

    But as far as a monopoly goes, people do not have to buy GMO seed. Most farmers buy it because it cost less to produce a product.

    If a person wishes they can save any variety of open pollinated seed they wish and buy nothing from Monsanto.

    People get all in a tizzy when BT is in the corn... but organic farmers go out and buy it and spray it on their crops....whats the diff?
     
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    Once a pollen particle is out, it is out; carrying its' genome with it.
    Similar to Nuclear, It Only Takes One Oopsy
    GMO food is an accident waiting to happen.
    What might a GMO oopsy look like? How about poisoning a whole food source; such as rice or corn.
    How are you going to
    contain the spread of "pollen" around the world.

    I have no problem with cross breeding.
    I do have a problem with implanting an active genome into the food source
    that came from a species so unrelated, that it could never be part of cross breeding.
    And how about, "designer genomes", made and implanted to produce a specific item in our food.

    Remember: It is NOT just the food you eat.
    It is the food your chicken, farmed fish, beef, pork ate too. And the consequences.
    Toxins do get retained and passed on to the predator.

    no_gmo_non_gmo_march_against_monsanto_sticker-r0f5e5ab980e041c5b50ff59672b453b0_v9wf3_8byvr_324.jpg

    10269590_751372548235891_1271859941110238596_n.jpg like it's the farmers fault their seed was GMO contaminated.


    No GMO
    Require labeling.
    Get Monsanto Interests out of the approval process. Yes they are.


    Moi :oldman:



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    I will admit there are problems...but to me the question is... do the benefits outweigh the risks?

    Yellow rice....yes...the benefits out weigh the risks.

    GM corn...yes...many more bushels per acre and farm production will have to increase dramatically just to feed the world in the near and long term.
     
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    How about, Poisoned Rice as the GMO ooopsy.
    Imagine, global rice, or corn, or whatever no longer available as a food source !
    Or if just some were allergic to the new substance in their food.

    Is it worth the risk ? Short answer, "No" and "Yes it can"


    Moi :oldman:



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    Yellow rice contains beta carotene, it has the nutrition to prevent blindness due to vitamin A deficiency.
     
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    Beta Carotene can be toxic as in health_food_poison_articles_wellness-fp-1a7703758930f4c55b71ede7ed05ec11.jpg
    And Beta Carotene is difficult to excrete, so it builds up.
    Better to give them a pill than risk the global rice supply.

    Can YOU imagine a GMO Ooopsy? Really. Can you imagine one as I offered above.
    They didn't like to imagine a Nuclear Ooopsy either. And they happened.
    Genome manipulation beyond cross breeding and concentrating man made poisons such as plutonium and the radioactive reservoir that has been man made way beyond naturally occurring radiation is stupid. I mean really, really stupid.


    Besides, even if it isn't toxic, you want everyone to look like they're from Jersey ?
    No Jersey-1.jpg 101410_southpark_jerseyepisode_xxxx_.jpg Lord no, not orangey tans.



    Moi, BSc Biological Sciences, Magna Cum Laude, Special Honors, :oldman: & M.D.
    But, you may have the last Liberal Word on how you "feel" about it, who needs facts. :cool:




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  15. Hoosier8

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    Water can be toxic. I guess that means that we should eliminate water.
     
  16. Moi621

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    Stupid is as stupid does.

    One can choose not to have a drink of water.
    If yellow rice is the only option for "food", well it is a little different. Ain't it?
    But, enjoy yourself anyways. mod edit,,flounder/I]
    Go ahead, I won't reply.

    Moi :oldman:




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    There has not been one...no not one...case of harm reported from GMO foods in humans.

    And starvation may not be considered toxic... but... it will kill with a slow and miserable death.
     
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    Except yellow rice is good for you too. There is no proof that any GMO food is damaging but the libs that like to vilify just about everything everyone does sure do whine about it.

    It is a good think you won't reply since you don't have much to say mod edit,,flounder
     
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    GMO destroy biodiversity and self sustainability of small farmers, and it make people more dependent on big corporations. With GMO dominating the market consumer have little choice what to eat. This is a genetic pollution, which has to be stopped.
     
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    BS. Farmers that want to plan GMO seeds know they have to license them. Those that don't, have nothing to worry about. GMO certainly does not destroy biodiversity. What a crock.
     
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    This explanation is for the ignorant. As you may know, wheat, corn and many other crops are pollinated by wind. Huge fields planted by GMO crops produce pollen fertilizing neighbors' wheat fields and so is with corn. This is genetic pollution. They are loosing heirloom varieties capable to be reproduced by a small grower without lab assistance. There are many authentic varieties of agricultural plants are lost and some are still protected by growers specializing on preservation of heirloom crops.
     
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    Can You imagine a GMO accident similar to a Nuclear accident.
    What would such an accident do?
    The inability to imagine such indicates a certain faith based system. Si ?

    If all you had to eat was "yellow rice" full of carotene, how long do you believe it would take before your skin would have that orange glow? Whites of the eyes, fat pads, liver, etc.
    Like the commercial use to say, "It's Not Nice To Fool With Mother Nature ! ".

    [video=youtube;LLrTPrp-fW8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrTPrp-fW8&feature=kp[/video]
    And we now know that margarine was not a healthy substitute for butter.
    It was worse ! Higher is saturated (hydrogenated) fat.

    Nutrition Do Gooders were better at their job in the 1800's. Early 1900's.
    However, they have done a rotten job since the mid 20th century up to today.
    Witness Michelle's Healthy School Lunch programs. Low on protein and low on fat.
    And we are speaking of growing children, not :oldman: !


    Moi :oldman:
    Imagine a world where all the wheat is poison to vertebrates. People too. Spineless Libs too. :roflol:
    Got GMO ?




    No :flagcanada:



     
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    Yes

    Unfortunately your response is to one who over the course of this discussion chooses faith over wind borne pollen facts.
    He does not understand. how some poor, compared to Monsanto, farmer plants contaminated GMO seed or his fruit/corn is a product of a distant pollen fertilization; and the poorer farmer has to defend himself in court from Monasanto financed attorneys for patent infringement. Wow !


    And the farmer looses his preference for a GMO free market. Who is the victim ?

    Justice is not FREE.
    Justice is purchased by the most extreme bidder, Monsanto !



    Moi :oldman:





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    Nonsense. Do you think that farmers use all of their crop for reseeding? The only problems have been when farmers choose to user their GMO seeds to reseed with instead of their alleged 'heirloom' seeds.
     
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    If you believe that,
    I have some land I'd like to sell you in Florida.
    It's on the high ground in the hurricane free zone.

    Or
    could interest you in a bridge, maybe the Brooklyn bridge?

    Really. When it comes to the influence of pollen, you are outside your zone of knowledge
    and operating on faith.


    Moi :oldman:
    BTW no one has offered a GMO ooopsy scenario; so sure GMO is safe they are. :hmm:




    No :flagcanada:
     

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