More anti-military rhetoric from Trump

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Glad to see you have given up trying to prove your imaginary purges.
     
  2. Hoosier8

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    Translation: No curiosity, plenty lazy. Don't let facts bother you.
     
  3. perotista

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    Exactly. I think the first presidential debate should include all candidates that are on enough state ballots to achieve 270 electoral votes. It takes exactly that amount to win. You could up the EV count for the second and third. Say 350 and 450. I think any candidate or political party that can get on all 50 state ballots as Johnson and the Libertarian Party has done, deserves to be included in the debates.
     
  4. FreshAir

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    if he thought it would get him some good PR maybe, how about Trump brings those jobs he shipped overseas back home and give Americans jobs instead
     
  5. JakeJ

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    That is the most important, and never discussed, issue in the election in my opinion.
     
  6. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Absolutely. That should be a no-brainer, the being on ballots in all 50 part at least.
     
  7. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I may sound like a broken record here, but many times I have stated that our election laws are written by Republican and Democrats as a mutual protection act. Their goal is to never allow another political party to become viable and challenge them. This the two major parties agree on. Presidential debates were taken away from the League of Women's voters because the League had the gall to allow Ross Perot into the debates. Now you have the bipartisan debate commission which make up the rules and you can bet your last dime will never allow another third party or independent candidate to appear on stage. We have a monopoly with our present election system, although some call it a duopoly.

    There will be no changing it as the people who can change it are the own now in charge of that monopoly.
     
  8. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The American people may need to get tough on this. Let's see an Occupy- and BLM-level effort to change this (sans violence, of course).
     
  9. OverDrive

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    Just heard Kerry struck a deal with Russia for cease-fire talks over Syria......

    Another Obama admin 'deal'......wonder how many 100's of millions of $ that is going to cost us?!!
     
  10. perotista

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    It will never happen. We have been conditioned.
     
  11. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    True. We've been domesticated.
     
  12. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have become sheep as your signature line states. We bend over and let the two major parties have their way as that is the way it has always been and will always be.
     
  13. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Got to get enough people to agree with you to band together and make a difference. Therein lies the challenge.
     
  14. APACHERAT

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    I have a buddy stationed at Andrews AFB, I'll have him keep a watch out for any pallets of greenbacks being loaded on any aircraft.
     
  15. Troianii

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    It's a good thing we topped that POS dictator Saddam, huh? That did wonders for global stability.
     
  16. Hoosier8

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    With Russia. Of course you can't work with them because they are evil but evidently the Obama administration is taking one of Trumps suggestions.
     
  17. Steady Pie

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    Trump would represent a power shift from the EU to Russia, just as Brexit represented a power shift in the UK away from the EU (though much less emphatically towards Russia). The times they are a changin'.

    Hillary represents a reenforcement of US ties with the EU and NATO, and continued petty squabbles with Russia.

    Crimea has a right to choose their government. The Ukraine is increasingly allying with the EU and NATO, Crimea has large numbers of Russians and does not want that. The conflict has seen aggression from both sides.

    I thought we were against regime change post-Iraq? Assad is a detestable guy and I despise his domestic policy, but he is not aggressive toward other nations. The US is already fighting both sides of the war. Heck, the US installed Al-Maliki who created the power vacuum which led to ISIS in the first place. Arguably this whole conflict is simply a continuation of the Iraq war.

    The problem as I see it is that the military no longer has a realistic endgame in anything they do. It used to be "invade, kill the leaders, force unconditional surrender, war complete", now (partly because of a move from conventional to assymetric war), there is no endgame. It's to be in the country until... forever.

    The only two parties which benefit from this are the US (which gets a massive bipartisan stimulus package for the war industry), and ISIS (it's typically pretty easy to recruit a guy whose wife and 3 kids were just killed in a drone strike).

    Trump is a goof and an opportunist, but he's not some Putin felater.
     
  18. Zorro

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    He said under Obama they have been reduced to rubble. Context my friend, Context!

    John Brennan, Mr. Obama’s CIA director, told the Senate Intelligence Committee in June that, “Our efforts have not reduced the group’s terrorism capability or global reach.”

    That's not our general's fault, that's Obama's fault.

    Obama took office and was handed off from Bush and Iraq that was so stable that Biden predicted, “Iraq will be one of the great achievements of this administration.” Instead, Obama and Hillary completely lost control of Iraq and ISIS arose and created a Caliphate in its place.

    http://topics.wsj.com/person/B/Joe-Biden/6352
     
  19. Doug_yvr

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    Referring to the US armed forces personnel as 'rubble' under any circumstances is indefensible. They are the best equipped, highest trained force that has ever existed and are today the strongest force in the world because of the men and women who serve. They deserve better than to be referred to as 'rubble' so that a 4 time deferment politician can try to score points with his alt-right followers.
     
  20. Zorro

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    When the President has reduced them to ineffectiveness, is absolutely proper to call The President out for this.
    They are still under the inept civilian leadership of Barack The Rubble Maker. Obama's own former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell says that the Obama administration has “done very, very little to degrade” ISIS’s terror network. As Trump notes, that is NOT the fault of our Generals, that is the fault of the Obama Administration.
     
  21. Doug_yvr

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    He called the Generals rubble; he insulted them. And you and the other Trump sycophants had nothing to say on the subject until Trump called them rubble and now all of a sudden you're an expert on the effectiveness of the US military.
     
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    You really don't know much about the US except what you read on Leftwing sites. Trump is pro military. What he said was a dis to OBAMA and not to the generals. He was saying that Obama has left diminished the generals to rubble because he doesn't listen to anything they say. Obama has weakened the military and if elected, will strengthen it again. If anyone is antimilitary it's the Libs. That is why the men and women who serve are overwhelmingly for Trump.
     
  23. Doug_yvr

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    Yes that's what I said - he called the Generals 'rubble'.
     
  24. Zorro

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    Wrong! He called out Barack Hussein Obama for rendering the greatest military on the face of the earth ineffective against a ragtag rabble of Islamists.
    No just me, for years Obama has been regaling us with stories of our great success in “degrading and destroying” the Islamic State terror group — but according to Obama's very own CIA Director, John Brennan, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Five days after the Orlando Islamic Terrorist atrocity, Mr. Brennan testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee in the most blunt way, describing a failure of the Obama administration that can only be described as monumental. Even as the president was out touting our supposed continuing success against ISIS, Mr. Brennan contradicted him on every point, and in every way.

    “Our efforts have not reduced the group’s terrorism capability and global reach,” said Mr. Brennan, as he went on to warn of more attacks on the scale of Paris and Orlando.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/20/obama-foreign-policy-failure-isis-far-from-defeate/
     
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    The real word is indoctrinated.
     

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