Moscow summons US ambassador

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Destroyer of illusions, Feb 22, 2023.

  1. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2022
    Messages:
    5,996
    Likes Received:
    3,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    As I previously wrote to you , US should have been at war in Europe in 1940 and not 1942. If US was in Europe, we wouldn’t have 50 millions people dead in WW2.

    US interest is strong Europe. US Interest is strong NATO. May be you should learn history. The alliance is not one sided. In history of NATO only one time the Article 5 was invoked. 9/11/2001. Every NATO country stood by USA and NATO country sent their soldiers in mountain of Afghanistan, many of them died for America.

    Only geopolitical malpractice is thinking because we are 3400 miles away from Europe, we can avoid them and isolate ourselves in continental America.

    You think America will loose to Russia ? Have little faith if you can. If not just read little history. When USSR was 4x more stronger then the current Russia, America and her allies won the cold war. You think this weak Russia will win war against America and her allies.

    Here are some states.

    Army
    USSR – 4.8 million
    Russia -1.1

    Tanks
    USSR – 50,000
    Russia -12,000

    Combat aircraft
    USSR – 11,400
    Russia -1,600
     
  2. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2022
    Messages:
    5,996
    Likes Received:
    3,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don’t have time for Bullshit like “ have you been to Russia” . I will just put up statistics



    upload_2023-2-23_14-53-29.png

    upload_2023-2-23_14-53-55.png

    upload_2023-2-23_14-54-29.png


    upload_2023-2-23_14-54-51.png

    upload_2023-2-23_14-55-7.png
    upload_2023-2-23_14-55-25.png
    upload_2023-2-23_14-55-51.png


    upload_2023-2-23_14-56-27.png



    upload_2023-2-23_14-56-49.png

    upload_2023-2-23_14-57-11.png


    i can keep going with more charts ..
     
    ToughTalk and Monash like this.
  3. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,472
    Likes Received:
    2,536
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Great! Two Christian armies going at it to the death. Zelensky must be rubbing his hands in glee right now.
     
  4. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,438
    Likes Received:
    5,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You wouldn't know because you've never been there. But please the virtue signaling for the real dictator in Kyiv. No freedom of speech, no freedom of language, no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, no voting rights for ethnic Russians......but Slava Bandera! :applause:
     
  5. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,438
    Likes Received:
    5,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oooh, charts. Wow. Maybe you can take time away from your charts to find those WMDs in Iraq?

    No time? Remain uneducated, that's your prerogative.
     
  6. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    55,939
    Likes Received:
    27,453
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Thanks to the wonders of mass media and the internet, I don't have to visit Russia to know that protest and criticism of this war are illegal there.

    As for your claims about Ukraine, have you even been there, bro? How do you know? ;)
     
  7. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2022
    Messages:
    5,996
    Likes Received:
    3,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Zelensky the Son of Abraham didn’t start the war, Putin did.
     
  8. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,438
    Likes Received:
    5,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I've been there multiple times......bro. Got any more? That's HOW I KNOW.
     
  9. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    55,939
    Likes Received:
    27,453
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    By going there and not actually protesting or criticizing the KGB dwarf. Very brave of you, Bill.
     
  10. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,472
    Likes Received:
    2,536
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Either way you want to flip it, military coup or russian invasion, the ayatollah and zelensky will be laughing at those Christians killing eachother, all the way to the bank.

    Good job!
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2023
    Bill Carson likes this.
  11. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2022
    Messages:
    5,996
    Likes Received:
    3,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    WMD in Iraq . yea i remember a cowboy Republican President from TX started that war.
     
  12. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2022
    Messages:
    5,996
    Likes Received:
    3,295
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    as i said Zelensky the Son of Abraham didn’t start the war, Putin did..
    i=
     
  13. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,472
    Likes Received:
    2,536
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And the Almighty will decide who the winner is in this Christian Civil war and it will be the army with the most faith in the lord. May the purge begin.
     
    Bill Carson likes this.
  14. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,653
    Likes Received:
    9,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We actually signed this thing called a memorandum that was a promise that we would offer assistance should Ukraine be aggressed upon.

    Beyond the reality that with China and Russia growing in partnership and strength we absolutely need NATO now more than ever.

    Get over it. It's the reality of the new world. To counter China and Russia we need NATO to be stronger
     
  15. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,653
    Likes Received:
    9,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It will be the army with the most to fight for and the most to lose.

    If Ukraine stops fighting there will be no more Ukraine
     
  16. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2019
    Messages:
    4,613
    Likes Received:
    3,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Ooh charts! Showing facts you don't like and can't handle. Obvious response? Deflect to the Iraq war (which as always has zero to do with the current confrontation in Ukraine). For your next deflection I suggest the Mexican American war of 1846. It's just as relevant at your latest 'effort'.
     
    bigfella likes this.
  17. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2021
    Messages:
    6,438
    Likes Received:
    5,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Before your next display of western propaganda, I suggest you get off your lazy ass and see Russia for yourself. Are you scared of education?

    While you're at it, go to Israel too.
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2023
  18. Monash

    Monash Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2019
    Messages:
    4,613
    Likes Received:
    3,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Which has what to do with the comment I made? For the rest? I'm perfectly happy to visit both countries (albeit in Russia's case it wouldn't be till a few years after the war ends - or Putin chokes on his own vomit, which ever comes first). The thing is though I have my own travel priorities and neither Israel or Russia at the top of the list. Now on the other hand if you were to fund both trips I'd be happy to go sooner. I only fly premium economy and say 4 star at worst BTW. PayPal?
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2023
  19. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,208
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And what has brought Russia and China closer together? This war(and particularly, our response to China via this war.) because not only have we divested our resources into this conflict but the Biden Administration is basically talking tough to the Chinese government and the Chinese have grown from annoyed to offended. Hence the reports of possibly getting hot and helping the Russians militarily.

    That reality has been augmented by the situation on the ground and our handling of it. The two sides were basically frenemies and we gave them every ammo to join forces as they're growing closer and closer to doing. And we didn't have to do any of it.

    I would have betrayed the memorandum and told the Ukrainians the promises were both unfeasible and unrealistic by the then-US Government and we are not bound to them. If I were POTUS, I must care above all else for the US. And our Pacific Front is at risk with Chinese growing influence.
    The US must always prioritize the Pacific and the Atlantic above all other considerations for her defense.

    Even now, I would pull out of the theater. My eyes and attention are all on the Pacific-Asia front. We will once more have to liberate our threatened Pacific Front. Even the Obama Administration finally understood the Pacific Front. The Trump Administration was clear eyed on the Pacific Front.

    The battle of Europe is over. Or rather, it's their fight. We can't stop it, so I'll encourage it. Let the two sides beat each other to an pulp over who controls Europe.
     
    Esau likes this.
  20. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,653
    Likes Received:
    9,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'd hardly categorize the China/Russia relationship before all this as "frenemies" lol.

    2021
    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-china-hold-large-scale-joint-military-drills-2021-08-10/
    Russia, China hold large-scale joint military drills
    https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/the...hina-russia-lunar-base-cooperation-agreement/
    The Strategic Implications of the China-Russia Lunar Base Cooperation Agreement

    2019
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/12/13/unpacking-the-china-russia-alliance/
    Unpacking the China-Russia ‘alliance’

    https://www.cacianalyst.org/publica...sia-security-cooperation-in-central-asia.html
    China-Russia Security Cooperation in Central Asia

    Here's a link to their developing relations before any of this Ukraine **** started in 2022.

    http://www.china.org.cn/world/2019-06/07/content_74864122.htm

    Needless to say, if you think THIS is catalyst to their union, you are sorely mistaken. Their relationship is a direct result and counter to that of NATO and democracy. It was always going to happen because it HAD to happen because we are a powerful Nation and NATO is a powerful alliance.

    So brace yourself to the reality of the world buddy. There is a confrontation happening that was always going to happen.
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2023
  21. cabse5

    cabse5 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    7,217
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Snort, you don't think someone who opposes the American involvement in the Ukraine war should have a say.:roll:
     
  22. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,653
    Likes Received:
    9,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Absolutely you can have a say. As did those who opposed every other war involvement. I never said otherwise.

    Got anything else?
     
  23. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,208
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I didn't say it was the catalyst to their union. But both Russia/China don't want the other to grow too big in Eurasia. That calculus had largely remained in check, until China now sees both the opportunity and the necessity to expand militarily in this way. And we're rubbing salt on the wound with piss poor diplomacy with regards to the Chinese.

    I of course, wouldn't mind being testy with them if we were laser focused on the Pacific, but we're not. It's as if the Biden Administration is fine with fighting on two fronts. US involvement in Ukraine is a strategic and a military blunder by this Pentagon. It's a waste of ammunition and a waste of geopolitical power, at a time where that should be amassed to our Pacific i would be having joint exercises and defense-security agreements with every Asian country(including South Korea.)

    An Asian coalition of the willing.
     
  24. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,472
    Likes Received:
    2,536
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Russia controls Europe and has done for decades, it's no match about it unless USA wants to sink it's teeth into it, which apparently they do, they want that revenue stream, Europe is a lucrative market.
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2023
  25. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,208
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I wouldn't mind if one or two of three conditions were met. 1)The US would formally join the European Union and the EU would accept US membership. 2)The EU would truly enable free and fair trade between the European and US markets or 3) Cutting off the ties they formed with the Chinese.

    Short of this list, it's simply not worth the squeeze for America.
     

Share This Page