Moscow summons US ambassador

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    https://www.rt.com/russia/571846-moscow-summons-us-ambassador/

    By the way, at a meeting of the UN Security Council, Vasily Nebenzya, the permanent representative of the Russian Federation to the organization, said that the countries behind the sabotage on the Nord Stream should compensate for the damage to the affected states.
    "The day has come. And it may become a harbinger of an era in which cross-border and transcontinental communications will become a legitimate target for operations aimed at weakening certain states - an era of chaos and unimaginable damage to all mankind," Nebenzya said.
    Translating from diplomatic language into colloquial, Nebenzya said that "if you do not return the money for damaged property and interest on lost profits to us, then we will definitely break something for you, because the day has come."
    And the fact that these are not just words, Putin confirmed in his annual message.
    And one of the points reads - Russia has suspended participation in the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty.
    And interestingly, immediately, on the same day, the Russian Ministry of Defense and Rosatom were instructed to prepare for nuclear testing. A few days earlier, the Russian fleet began patrolling with nuclear missiles on board, and submarines with "Poseidons" went to the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean.
    It also announced an increase in funding for the development of new types of weapons, including nuclear. (But you and I understand that if this was announced publicly, then you can be sure that the Russians already have new types of weapons, including nuclear weapons. Isn't it?)
    There is something else that is changing the rules of the Great Game from today:
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    A screenshot of the decree on recognizing as invalid ....
    In general, all political agreements with the EU and the USA in terms of coordinating decision-making have become invalid.
    Firstly, from now on, Russia does not necessarily coordinate its actions with anyone. Russia can coordinate with those whom he considers allies - with China, Iran or Saudi Arabia. Or can do everything in silence.
    Secondly, from now on the West will not have information about what and how much the Russians have in launch silos and on other nuclear carriers - and given the undeniable advantage of the Russians nuclear weapons, the Russians can strain Washington and the European Reichskommissariat anywhere in the world.
    Now no one will come to inspect Russian strategic nuclear facilities - and the reason for this is that Washington and Brussels have lost all restrictions - and this also has its own unpleasant (to put it mildly) consequences for the West.

    And finally... Biden's arrival in Kyiv.

     
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    So, let me break down this post from a neutral prospective(while I'm an American who loves my country, I'm not a blind idiot.). Basically, the Russians are going the route of North Korea with regards to the INTL community. No more inspections of its weapons, etc. This is a bigger development for the world and a massive setback for both diplomacy and the West in general. If we're not up to date, then our own security infrastructure risks being outdated. This of course will bring back the old Arms race.

    In addition to increased Russian isolation and secrecy that will lead to an Arms race, the Russians are also indicating that they will seek retribution for Nordstorm by means of attacking infrastructure themselves. All in all, a terrible day for the US and for all peace loving people as the two sides are hardening, they're not backing down.
     
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    1. I like that you love your country.
    I also want to say - I like the United States and the American people - and this is a sincere admiration.
    But unfortunately, crazy people have seized power in the USA today. And the American people are the first victims of these lunatics.
    2.
    If you are trying to look at events from the outside, then obviously you are not succeeding. (possibly due to the strong influence of Western media)
    I will explain - you say that Russia is and will be in isolation - this is a fundamental mistake.
    Russia cannot be isolated because of its size and economy.
    See for yourself - China, India, Pakistan are cooperating with Russia, but this is already half the world. All of Africa supports Russia, almost all of Latin America at least cooperates with Russia.....etc. What kind of isolation are we talking about?
    Who will isolate Russia? Europe? Which without Russian gas is on the verge of collapse? Or the United States, which cannot do without Russian fertilizers, Russian titanium, Russian nuclear fuel, space technology ... and much more?
    One example - Finnish airlines went bankrupt due to the fact that after the imposition of sanctions they received a ban on flying through the territory of Russia. The result is bankruptcy. This is just one of the examples.
    And if you look with an open mind, you will understand that talking about the isolation of Russians is absurd.
    3.
    Today we have the confession of ex-President of France Hollande, ex-Chancellor of Germany Merkel and ex-president of Ukraine Poroshenko that Ukraine signed the Minsk peace agreements, and Germany and France acted as guarantors from Ukraine, knowing that they would not be implemented.
    It was bluntly stated that the Minsk agreements were signed only in order to give the Ukrainian fascists time to accumulate weapons and prepare an army.
    We also have the confession of the chairman of the European Commission that sanctions against Russia were prepared two years before the start of the Russian special operation.
    We also have the confessions of a number of politicians and the military that Ukraine was pumped up with weapons long before the Russian special operation ... and do not forget that an armed coup d'etat took place in Ukraine, and then Ukrainian fascists shot residents of regions that did not recognize the coup d'etat for eight years.
    Therefore, one must understand that the Russians were forced to start a special operation in Ukraine.
    Trite to protect the Russian population from extermination and genocide.
    I wonder what would you say if, for example, Ireland banned English on its territory, and everyone who speaks it would be persecuted? Or if Belgium would ban the French language on its territory. Just like the Ukrainian usurpers did it. How do you think the "democratic" West would react?
     
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    The Minsk agreements were doomed to failure as Putin saw those agreements as a means to seperate those Obelisk away from Ukraine while Zelensky wanted those agreements to allow for the reunification of Ukraine as the small, bad elements were removed or relocated.

    As for the explosion that ruptured the pipe? There is a simple graph that might help explain that.

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    The US spends 10x Russia on defense. The US spends half of Russia's entire GDP on defense.

    An Arms race isn't good for any of us really, but if there is an arms race, Russia has absolutely no chance of winning.

    The last time Russia was in an arms race with the US, it caused the USSR to collapse. Now Russia is trying to do it by themselves, it's laughable.

    Russia can't even buy socks for their soldiers in the battlefield.

    The US can pay for gender reassignment surgery for their soldiers without even noticing.
     
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    All while providing for another kind of reassignment of ruZZian troops and equipment in Ukraine and in the Black Sea :D
     
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    You are funny. Everything has already happened - cries in the Western media - "Russia has 2% of world GDP, after the imposition of sanctions, Russia will die, NATO will not give offense to Ukraine ...." and other nonsense.
    And what is the result? In Russia, the economy is growing, a positive trade balance, the opening of new enterprises and falling unemployment...etc. Russia produces three times more missiles than the US with its military budget. Russians produce as many missiles as the whole world.
    And what about in Europe? - every day enterprises are closed, big inflation, rising prices, falling living standards...etc. And this is just the beginning.
    In general, do not read Western media, it is bad for the brain.
     
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    The Russians demand to pay for the explosion of the gas pipeline and pay compensation for lost profits. And they do not care what they say in the Western media. The Russians demand to start with allowing their experts to the site of the explosion. But the West rests with all its might.
    If the West does not compensate for the losses, then there may be a high probability that an explosion will occur at the infrastructural facilities of the West. For example, suddenly several miles of underwater Internet cable from Iceland to the USA disappear, or the Norwegian gas pipeline explodes. Everything can happen. This was directly stated.
    Times have changed. And they changed drastically.
     
  9. Durandal

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    You're right that your post is nonsense. I expect that's due to the language barrier.

    Have you considered a different line of work?
     
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    Federation Council approves law suspending Russia's participation in treaty on strategic offensive arms.
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    Vewy vewy scawwy!

    By the way, you have to love how they rubber-stamp everything the little dictator dictates. They know there's an unexpected trip through high rise window in their future if they don't.
     
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    They just know that a nuclear war will start soon.
     
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    Soon™

    You've been posting that for at least a year now.
     
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    You hurry?
    Relax. Look how people live in Russia. September 2022. This is a stream.
     
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    In a healthy democracy, things don't pass unanimously
     
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    The Russians/Putin can get ****ed.

    We the west demand that Russia pay for all of the death and destruction they have forced onto Ukraine.

    Germany signed a 15 year LNG deal with Qatar. So thankfully, that ship has sailed. Nobody should get energy dependant on a shitbag authoritarian/expansionist regime.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Delusional post. Try again.
     
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    I found your post to be enlightening on why and how the war will extend beyond Russia and Ukraine. Thanks.
     
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    The size of Russian economy is smaller then Italy. So lets not brag about Russian economy. Size of the country ? Almost 50% of its land is unsuitable for human settlements. A huge portion (more than 10 million square km) of land is permafrost, therefore no cultivation can be done on such land.

    Here is GDP of Russia and her allies vs US and her allies

    Russia 1.6 t + India 3.4 t + China 17 t + Pakistan 376 b = 22.3 trillion GDP

    USA 25 t + EU 16 t + UK 3.1 t + Canada 1.8 t + Japan 4.9 = 50.8 trillion GDP

    Russia produce 11% of world’s oil. USA alone produce 20% world oil. You think without Russian oil EU will collapse? 89 % of world oil production is outside Russia, May be Russian needs to learn simple math that 89 is greater then 11.

    If none of these numbers convince you , may be read some history and fall of USSR!
     
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    I know. The vote for the war in Afghanistan passed Senate 98-0 and the House 420-1.
     
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    And the 1 who voted against received death threats.

    I think everybody is aware the US is run by the weapons industry and the oil companies, and big pharma and other big businesses, and that has been true for well over a hundred years. And that's why the US is constantly at war and it usually has something to do with petroleum. Who didn't start wars? Jimmy Carter and to a lesser extent; Donald Trump. Guess who the media was against?
     
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    Russia's military could oust Putin after START withdrawal
     
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    What is your point?
     
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    Yeh, I get it. Russia is small and therefore we can take it over, break it up, and steal the oil and gas.

    If you listen to the Sec. Gen. of NATO then destroying as much as possible of Russia's military, discrediting Putin, producing regime change in Russia and breaking Russia up into many small republics with no strength to resist, is the established plan. Don't delude yourself by thinking Russia doesn't know it, it's the US public that isn't interested.
     

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