Those women can go live in China... They need women there. Also I bet once westernized many would make fine wifes for occidentals...
You see you have to go farther than 20 years to find stuff to put on the back of christianity. BTW, those 3 dictator didn't massacre their peoples, and many many priest and nuns too, because of christianity like the islamist do in the name of allah. Religion can be tamed. It as been in the west. The problem with Islam is that it is both a religion and a political system. The only christian equivalence would be the Vatican, and even them won't stone you for going out and talking to strangers of the opposite sex. The USA, like every nation on this planet, sometime act with their national interest first and foremost. This can leads to some injustice toward another nation and people. But that is the way this world works. The french supported Omar Bungo knowing full well what he was doing. The British, the Russian, the Belge, the Chinese... all did or are presently doing things that goes against the people of the country they deal with. Sharing isn't part of this world nations moral fabric. There are limited ressources and everybody is competing for them. But the USA and those nation are generaly not the one doing the exaction or abusing the people of other nations. The USA and other make deals with the local government, or in some case they install one themselves. Those government are free to use the money they get to build their countries infrastructure and services, but they chose not to, instead they use it to stay in power and for personal gain. The USA doesn't care what those government do as long as they get what they are paying for, like every other major countries in this world. Look at Saudi Arabia or the gulf states. They used part of the money they get from the west to build their country infrastructure and education system. They aren't third world countries anymore. But even them, can't seem to be able to curb their religious dogma to take the next step which would be abandoning the Sharia and become 100% secular.
Jepp, of course he's just trolling, but I'm sure he wouldn't break out in tears if the Hagia Sophia was destroyed. Which brings me back to topic. The Hagia Sophia is neither a mosque nor a church these days, but a museum trying to display its broad history with both religions. You can find nicely restored Christian mosaics right next to amazing ancient Islamic craftsmanship. Here are some pics:
Suharto killed an estimated 1/3 of the Timorese people. Duarte killed American nuns and killed archbishop Romero. (There was a movie made titled Romero if you are interested) 20 years is not a long time. The Balkan war is less than 20 years old and there were definately some religious elements to that conflict. Israel/Palestine conflict is still ongoing. I agree that religion in the west has been tamed. The religious right gets political and that is the problem I have with it. I agree that the power of the religious right over legislation is not as strong as in many Muslim countries. We need to work to keep it that way. If we are supporting Genocide under tha claim that it is in the national interest there should be at least some airing of debate on the issue IMO. There was not.
Islam is an entire way of life, yes, and Sharia is a political element of Islam. Christianity is tame in the West? West borough Church are what you consider tamed? Bombing abortion clinics is tame? Breivik was tamed? The KKK is tamed? Was that Church who burned those Qurans tamed? Am I saying all Christianity, or even the majority is like this? Of course not. But I'm saying every religion has it's bad apples. I like to compare the Taliban as an armed and more powerful/extreme version of the new Tea Party, al-Qaeda as an armed and more powerful version of the KKK. You can bet if the Christian extreme groups had as much power as the Islamic ones they'd be no different other than faith. Salam
The Westborough church is one family only and they never ever harmed anyone. They may protest, insult and scream at you but that is about it. I would prefer that instead of having my throat slit in a soccer stadium... Do you? The difference is that when our fringe member commits acts of violence they are hunted, judge and condemned. When your fringe element commit acts of violence they get a street or a park named after them. See the difference?
But that's what you consider tame? Celebrating the death of Americans by the "Islamists" for example is okay, but killing those soldiers is not? Do they deserve to die? No. But in a war people get killed. However it is 't too often the people of a country celebrate the death of their own soldiers and not for dying for freedom, justice, etc like today (Remembrance Day) but instead for being "sinners" and going to burn in Hell. And that was just one example. As I said, if the extreme Christian groups were equivalent in power to the extreme Islamic groups there would be no difference in actions other than ideology. Salam
This is very disappointing. What started out as a delightful thread has turned into horrible rudeness. C'mon people, please.
Err no i said they were. Priest and nuns were killed... Did any of those who did those killing yelled in the name of jesus I kill you? Did the priest from the pulpit ordered his congegration to commit thos massacres? But for secular reason, not religious one. None of your example were done in the name of christianity or to install a christian theocracy. There the only one linking religious doctrine to their act. Nope. The croatian didn't joined with the nazi because of their christianity but because they would have gain autonomy from their serb oppressor (in therir eyes). Oh, look, Goodwin's law... Except both were authoritarian despotic regimes, not democracies. A right wing democracy is still a democracy and if you don't like that government then you can change it in 4 years max. Ask the Lybian and Syrian how easy it is in a despotic authoritarian regime to change leadership.
Do you know the difference between shouting and insulting people and blowing them up? TWC never harmed anybody beside their feelings. They also are living in the USA, they could and probably own many firearms and yet they never ever used them. Your islamist friend have killed thousands in bus, metro, planes, ship, cafe, pizzeria, clubs, market, roadside, mosque.... And the difference is that when our extremist do pass to the act we punish them for it. We don't name a street or a park for them.
You are changing the goal posts. Your initial claim was that Muslims killed more than Christians. It does not matter what drives the killing. Even so, actions from the Pulpit in support of Israel indeed has a religious bias. Actions from the Pulpit in relation to prevention of Aids in foreign lands. We were talking about killing in general but the two points above were done for religious reasonss. There are many theocratic initiatives in America. I do agree that there are no Jihad type extremists. This is nonsense. Get educated and quite making stuff up as you go along. Well .. if you make bad arguments expect to be called on it. It is even worse that you know the name of the mistake you made but still did it. I did not know we were restricting it to democracies.
This is what we are discussing: Christians have killed just as many as Muslims. No but this does not change the reality that Christians have killed just as many as Muslims. Funding to African countries to stop Aids was prioritized to those that emphasized "Chastity". Your lack of understanding of the Croat/Serb conflict does not justify you making things up. Certainly not me but this has nothing to do with the numbers killed by Christians vs Muslims.
Occupation are the result of an invasion which is an act of war. God, do you ever get tired of trying to redifined the terms to fit your silly agenda? It's the result of multiple wars. For political reason and nationalism. Plenty and I know a few who served in the peacekeeper there. I also know a few who served in the Wermacht and SS during WW2 and were active in the region. You have the monopoly on that front. You find the truth funny?
The second war in Iraq was not because of any invasion. The question is not what the Israeli/Palistinian conflict a result of, but is it a war ? Nice that the Cathoic Croat clergy and the Pope were so nationalistic and politically motivated to support and help out with the genocide against Orthadox and Jewish Serbs. But there was no religious motivation of course. . So you know some Croats that participated in the Genocide against Orthadox and Jewish Serbs .. And these folks told you there was no religious element to the Genocide ? The Serbs I know have a different story. No, just the contortions and squirming you feel compelled to go through to avoid the truth.
