Motion Backs Same Sex Marriage In Tasmania

The state won't allow gay couples to be married there, but it will recognise marriages performed elsewhere. A good start!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/gay-marriage-vote-passed-in-tasmania/comments-e6frf7jo-1226142789423

Now how about we just make it legal across the country?

 

This will be interesting indeed Makedde, as apparently Gillard is against
it, but its one of Browns policies....we may see who is running the country...strap yourselves in people.............

 

Strange that no-one has posted on this delightful topic....

 

I dont care so long as they dont use it as a platform to claim religious institutions who do not provide that service are somehow breaking discrimination laws. I feel sorry for the kids of 2 men though having a masculine mother figure.

 

The religious brigade are out in force already, as expected! Insisting that 'some traditional values must be retained' already they can't offer an answer as to why.

 

I agree, they can/should be married if they wish to! Their life, their choice...

 

What a wonderful world we live in...
Some posters want drug criminals hung and other criminals caned...
...other posters want kids to grow up with two mothers or two fathers...
yeaaahhh...Im all for it......

 

Lett's stays in Tassie!

 

When you see how many kids have to grow up in foster homes or other institusions because their traditionel family failed, it is more than hard to believe that 2 mothers or 2 fathers can get it that wrong.
What I personally know about same sex realtion people is that they are often well educated and caring. A good start for a family, isn't it?

 

I think youre generalising a bit arent you. I've known kids from welltodo
families that grow up bad...the parents say "what did I do wrong"
I know kids that have grown up with one parent since primary school (mine)
and have grown up well adjusted adults...yet other kids from one parent families are labelled as coming from a disjointed background..and the comment is..
"oh well what do you expect with only one parent....
All I know is that as a parent, you hope that youre doing the right thing
by your kids, and you hope that they grow up good.
If they have two mothers or two fathers...doesnt that just make a little
bit harder..............for the kids that is....

Dont get me wrong...I have nothing against same sex relationships...good
luck to anyone in any relationship....I just worry about the kids....isnt
it a bit of a gamble to legislate in this way...............it is isnt it....??

 

I think the main factor is love, respect and determination.
Same sex people have it so much harder in our society that they will be very determined to be good parents for their loved ones.
When we as a society accept a gay relationship as normal and teach our kids that the relationship between 2 females or males is normal, there will be no problems for those people founding a family.
The problem is not the gays, it is us....

 

Few problems there catter. Firstly the relationship between two homosexuals is far from normal, two homosexuals can not found a family and it is the homosexuals that have the problem, not us.

 

Well traditional values are sometimes good for society. Another traditional value of marriage is it's between two people, not three, four or twelve. If you insist on changing the definition of what marriage is to include homosexuals does that set a precedent to change it for other reasons, such as polygamy? The traditional definition of marriage in our culture is it is strictly between a man and a woman. Why should we change tradition and history to appease the homosexual community? Once upon a time marriage was something that happened between two virgins, before god in a church, as a precursor to a family. Now that society has pissed all over that concept some people want to preserve what little dignity is has left. That homosexuals want to get married shows they have no respect for its institutions or are ignorant towards it and that their motives are mostly political. It's less about letting John and Steve "tie the knot" and more about bringing homosexuality it into the mainstream and normalizing it.

 

Well written, Adultmale and Rusty...

 

A relationship in which two heterosexuals engage in abal sex is far from normal too, yet we allow that.
A relationship in which two heterosexual people engage in oral sex is far from normal, but OMG we allow that as well.

Whether homosexuality is normal or not isn't the point. That is not a reason to prevent them from marrying.

 

I think the preference order for me would be;

1. male + female
2. female + female
3. female (single parent)
4. male (single parent)
5. male + male

Its not what they do in the bedroom, its more about the effect on children of rolemodels in relation to established gender stereotypes as defined by normal gender behaviour. Yes I did use the word 'normal', Im using the word normal to mean hormonal levels and subsequant behaviours because men have more testosterone which makes them behave differently to women, its just a fact and its one which does influence their adult behaviours signifigantly. We have to assume the child will have 'normal' hormones as it ages and therefore the rolemodels might well be quite confusing and male-male is the most confusing one out of the options available. It should always be about the child, and same sex relationships making babies are doing so only for the adults... unless they adopt an underprivilged child then they are actually doing something for the child and perhaps themselves.

 

Not sure if you've heard of this, but you may want to check it out:

Adoption:
"Adoption involves the creation of the parent-child relationship between individuals who are not naturally so related."

And apparantley:

"Adoption for same-sex couples is currently available in Australian Capital Territory (since 2004), New South Wales (since 2010) and Western Australia (since 2002)."

So it seems that homosexuals can in fact found a family.

 

No Mak, that's the whole point and is every reason for maintaining marriage as something between a man and a woman.

 

There's no valid reason for "maintaining marriage as something between a man and a woman". Absolutely none.

Plenty of flimsy arguments, but no valid reasons.

 

Many married couples divorce - does this mean divorce is a natural part of marriage?

 

Agreed, kids need both male & female role models in their lives. Obviously, real life doesn`t always allow this to happen, but it`s callous to plan the deprivation of a natural upbringing.

 

No Mak, divorce is not part of marriage, it is the end of marriage.

 

Depends on your definitions of a family and parents.

 

Same sex marriage in Tasmaina means bob Brown will be able to marry his brother.

 

How will that affect you?