My dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion

My friend's uncle comes to our D&D games... It's not that uncommon when talking about things like tabletop RPGs, where a lot of the persistent groups are multigenerational, with the father passing it down to the son like some bizarre hereditary disease that makes you unattractive to women (not that I needed the help, thanks dad).

 

Culture and circumstance, but in the case of the OP, it's not someone's uncle. It's his romantic partner. Seems quite odd that the OP would allow it in her house, and then usei it as a point of discussion here. I don't often like To call people out on unverifiable anecdotes, but this scenario makes me doubt her sincerity.

 

Even so the PDA alone could make anyone uncomfortable. Like if you're there to play a game and you're the only couple you don't sit there and fondle each other/make out or whatever. That's just rude to the other people in the room. Maybe if you're double-dating it with another couple and playing fine, but not in front of your friend and your friend's PARENT! Still I'm with Jeff on this one. Blackrook doesn't seem like the type to allow any gay people into his/her home let alone allow them to openly display PDA in front of him/her. lol

 

While parents can sign up kids for therapy, unless there is a court order, the kid can’t be forced into this. Here’s what happens. Parents sign up kids for therapy. Kid sees therapist. But all a therapist can do is give their view and find out why the kid is there. If the kid says that they were dragged into this by their parents, then the therapists will tell the parents that unless the kid wants this, there is nothing they can do. Most kids who are brought in to see therapists against their will don’t last long because they don’t want this.

Again unless there is a court order, you can't force any1 into any therapy. For repair therapy to work, the patient must want this. If a drug junky doesn't want repair therapy to quit drugs, then forcing them into repair therapy usually won't work as most drug junkies forced into this by court order after drug convictions don't get clean. If a person has a heart condition but doesn't want open heart surgery, then I support their right not to have heart surgery.

Gay/lesbian activities are bad for health just as drug junkyism is. Kids need to be told that gay/lesbian sexual conduct is bad for them just as a drug junky needs to be told that smoking drugs is bad though it hurts the gay, lesbian and drug junky's feelings. It's best for gay/lesbian to be celibate just as it's best for people not to smoke Smokers frequently hear that smoking is bad for health, so gays and lesbians need to hear that gay/lesbian behaviors are bad for health. I have never heard straight people blame sex abuse for a reason a man has sex with women and kis with her but I sometimes hear homos & lesbians especially gays report childhood sex abuse especially homosexual rape-what is known is that if a boy is repeatedly homosexually raped in his youth, the likelihood is more that he'll do homosexual behaviors in adulthood because the sex abuse can damage mind and cause people to act in ways they normally wouldn't. To deny it is dishonest. It's like if a kid lives in a high crime neighborhood & sees muggings, the likelihood is more that he'll be a mugger in his adulthood because of what he learned in his youth. It remains to be seen how many of Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky's victims will think in their adulthood that they're homoexual. No, not all boys who are homosexually raped in youth become homo in adulthood & yes, there are many gays who weren't homosexually raped in their youths. But homosexual rapes in youth incr. risk of a boy turning out homosexual.

Yes, repair therapy to treat gayism, lesbianism often fails as repair therapy does for drug junkyism-this should be there for those who want this-especially for kids who think they‘re doing gay/lesbian conduct because of childhood sex abuse and who sincerely want this to go straight. Yes, proof burden is on repair therapists, but if you aren’t going to have repair therapy for gayism, then you may as well not have repair therapy for drug junkyism or drunkardism, because it often fails. Repair therapy for gays and lesbians who want to be straight must be available just as repair therapy must be available for a drug junky who wants to become clean. Sex changes should be abolished. I’m against sex changes for the same reason as I oppose trying to make a White person Black or viceversa because they think they were born of another race. Sex changes are a sad waste of science.

 

No, don’t get it and the juries who have acquitted in these cases differ with you because they saw it differently. Must remind that assault and battery, murder cases must be judged individually. Juries sometimes acquit though many differ because juries are ordinary people and they make verdicts as they see the proof. There are many who differed with the Zimmerman acquittal (my view is that George M. Zimmerman was guilty of negligent homicide but not Murder 2) but the jury did what they believe was right.

Murder also has different degrees-1, 2 and Manslaughter. In a gay bashing case, if the defense lawyer wants to bring up criminal conduct the gay did such as if gay committed harassment, indecent exposure, assault and battery, etc. before man reacted violently, then they gays antisocial conduct must be regarded by jury in deciding verdict. A jury can acquit or if they convict, they can convict a person on lesser charge. Let’s say a jury decides that the man who killed the gay is guilty of homicide, but jury decides that he is guilty of lesser charge of manslaughter rather than Murder 2 because of criminal provocation by the the gay, then that is what the jury decided. If a jury acquits, then it's the end of the case. If a jury convicts, then the defense has a right to appeal conviction. Most criminal cases are pleabargained, including assault and battery and murder cases. Many cases where a person is arrested and charged with Murder 1, and the case is pleabargained to Murder 2 where it's agreed the murderer will spend 18 years in prison for Murder 2 than go to trial for Murder 1 and if convicted by jury of Murder 1, get life without parole. Pleabargaining is what happens in most criminal cases.

What you said is jury topic as these situations are unpredictable. If a homosexual is following a man in the lot and proposing repeatedly after which man reacts violently by bashing or killing the gay, a case can be made that the gay was trying to do something worse. 1st to repeat, the gay is committing a crime-harassment. But harassment may not be the only crime intended. If the gay is high on drugs or if the gay has history of violently attacking other men in lot, then a case can be made the man acted in self-deffense when he killed the gay as the gay was trying to do something more serious as the gay had done before to other men. Each case is different & must be judged individually because they're not so easy. A jury decides if deadly force is justified or if it's excess then what degree. You can use deadly force against an assault & battery or harassment if a jury believes you were justified and protecting yourself against what some1 may do in the next few seconds- most gay bashings are men reacting to crimes which the gay or transexual did, especially as gays often harass teenage boys and the boys fight back against the gays. I would rather have a case where a man or teenage boy bashes or kills a gay after the gay was harassing him and then have a jury decide if it was justified or excess (if excess jury will decide what degree such as Manslaughter instead of Murder) than to not do enough.

 

I've never said anything different. What I keep trying to tell you is that you DON'T get to preemptively "bash" someone for being a certain type of person. I don't get to "bash" a black person who isn't doing anything violent because "some blacks who wear hoodies are gang-bangers". You can defend yourself, you cannot attack. The second the gay person does something violent, go ahead and defend yourself.

It's fine to defend yourself. I never said otherwise. What can't happen is a defense that says "he's gay and in the bathroom, so he obviously was looking for someone to rape" which is the equivelent of "he was a black guy in a white neighborhood, so obviously he was looking for a house to rob". You can point to what he's doing, you can't point to his gayness and use that as a defense.

Asking someone out is not a de-facto case of harassment. Harassment could only happen after the person tells their suitor to leave them alone and they refuse to do that. And even then, a non-violent act does not give you the right to shoot to kill. If the person is actually attacking you, or actually saying "go out with me or I'll do something violent", that's one thing. What you're suggesting is that a request for a date by a gay man is so obviously a prelude for an attack that no one in their right mind would not shoot the gay guy on the spot. Obviously if he's asking for a date, he's on drugs and looking for a good rape, because I mean he's gay and therefore evil or something. It doesn't work that way because it isn't true. He might be or he might not be. That black kid in a hoodie walking in the dark under the eaves in the rain might be casing your condo complex for robbery, or he might be trying to walk home in the rain. Sure a jury gets to decide after the fact, but before the fact, I think you should err on the side of not killing people, as it's kind of hard to undo a killing.

 

Again you are wrong and distort what was said. If a gay is using the bathroom, then he is not committing a crime. However, it is a crime to ask others for sex in a public restroom because a public restroom is not a bar or your house. Gays have committed homolestation in public restrooms and harassment may not be only crime intended. If a teenage boy kills a gay after the gay was harassing him in the public restroom, then yes, the defense must be allowed to bring up the crime the gay did (harassment) before the man killed him. Whether the man used reasonable or excess force must be a jury topic. If the gay has a history of homolesting teenage boys in public restrooms before he got bashed or killed by a man, then that must be regarded by jury in deciding verdict. If the jury believes man was justified they acquit. If they believe man used excess force then they convict, but they can convict on lesser charge such as Manslaughter rather than Murder 2. The gay committed a crime which caused the reaction. If a gay is antisocial enough to harass a man in a public restroom, then it's likely the gay will do something worse if you don't react, which is why a jury can acquit because the view would be if the man didn't fight back, he would have been attacked.

Asking some1 on a date (straight or gay) in your house or @ a private party is in most cases legal and that isn't what is being discussed. The right thing to do in these cases is say no and leave. However, repeatedly asking for dates after some1 has said no is criminal harassment. If a gay is going to commit indecent exposure, then it's a crime and there is no need for a man to say no to a crime the gay had no right to do. & again, there is no need for a man to say no to a gay who is proposing to him in a public restroom because again the public restroom is not a house or a bar and it's illegal to ask others for sex in public restroom.

Also following a man around proposing to him repeatedly after he said no is criminal. If a homosexual is following a man in the lot and proposing repeatedly after which man reacts violently by bashing or killing the gay, a self-defense case can be made that the gay was trying to do something worse. 1st to repeat, the gay is committing a crime-harassment. But harassment may not be the only crime intended. If the gay is high on drugs or if the gay has history of violently attacking other men in lot, then a case can be made the man acted in self-deffense when he killed the gay as the gay was trying to do something more serious as the gay had done before to other men. Each case is different & must be judged individually because they're not so easy. A jury decides if deadly force is justified or if it's excess then what degree. You can use deadly force against an assault & battery or harassment if a jury believes you were justified and protecting yourself against what some1 may do in the next few seconds- most gay bashings are men reacting to crimes which the gay or transexual did, especially as gays often harass teenage boys and the boys fight back against the gays. I would rather have a case where a man or teenage boy bashes or kills a gay after the gay was harassing him and then have a jury decide if it was justified or excess (if excess jury will decide what degree such as Manslaughter instead of Murder) than to not do enough because a case can be made that if the man didn't fight back, he would have been attacked seconds later. & people who are going to commit a violent crime usually don't announce they are going to attack. Again, these are cases juries must decide and homicide has different degrees for a reason-Murder convictions have been reversed on appeal because jury was not allowed to consider a lesser charge. In the 2011 Lawrence Fobes King killing where Lawrence Fobes King had harassed other boys such as Lawrence Fobes King masturbated in front of others before 1 day a boy who had enough of Lawrence Fobes King's harassment shot and killed him in class, the judge allowed the jury to consider the lesser charge of Manslaughter, because if the judge only allowed the jury to consider Murder 1, the conviction would be reversed on appeal on the view the jury could not consider a lesser charge. The jury in the Lawrence Fobes King case came back with a hung jury-7 for Manslaughter and 5 for murder. The case after that was pleaded to Murder 2-suspect had been charged with Murder 1. It was my view the case was Manslaughter, not Murder 1 and 7 jurors agreed with me. Not all murders are Murder 1 and juries must decide what charge it is if they don't acquit.

 

With all controversy over Russia's laws against gay/lesbian propaganda-repeat, they are Russia's laws and when in Russia, obey Russia's laws. I have been to San Francisco 5 times-a beautiful city but politics there is wrong-California politics is wrong. If I were to go to San Francisco and tell them that their city is beautiful but their politics are wrong-San Franciscans would tell me that as I don't live there, it's their State and city laws. But people who have not been to Russia have been criticizing Russia laws against gay propaganda and Uganda's laws against homosexuality. Most posters criticizing both nations have never been there and most will not go there. Most don't even know much about those 2 nations.

Not all have the same religious view and again, my reasons for opposing gay/lesbian and transexuality (the mutilated gays/lesbians) is unrelated to any religious belief. Chastity Bono could be called gay or a lesbian because transexuality is a mutilated gay/lesbian.

Gay/lesbian conduct are bad for health =smoking. AMA and APA are both pro-gay/lesbian ideologues who arrogantly think because are Drs., that they know the answers. But they are dishonest. Paid experts can say things to support gay agenda or any agenda. That happened in Jodi Ann Arias trial where there were paid experts who said that the convicted murderess had transit amnesia, that she was a domestic assault & battery victim-when in fact it was Jodi Ann Arias who had stalked her boyfriend, possibly threatened her boyfriend in past with a knife before 1 day murdering him and that the victim really was not dead when he was shot in head. Jury did not believe the Drs. (they did it for $ and did not care about truth) who testified for Jodi Ann Arias and they convicted her of Murder 1. The AMA is comparable in that they are pro-gay ideologues saying what they know is false. AMA denies link between childhood sex abuse and homosexuality/transexuality but AMA is saying what they know is false.

Gays and transsexuals are more likely to molest children because many were molested as kids. If an adult is having homosexual relations with a young boy-then he is gay-a gay pedophile, pederast or homolester. Sex changes are a bad thing which sadly happen and is wrong just as it's wrong to change skin color because a person thinks they're of another ethnic group. It doesn't take an expert to know the sex change and hormones given damage the person's mind and body. That + the fact that many gays and transsexuals were sexually abused as children are the reason they are more likely to sexually abuse children. But bias has meddled with how people regard this topic. Also with child molesters, agay who is homolesting boys is usually not going to tell his friends/family that he is homolester and most boys who are victimized by gays do not go to police.

If a gay or lesbian is living their own life but not pushing their views on others, most people don't care. The Russian authorities are passing laws against gay/lesbian propaganda because gay/lesbian propaganda is corrupting. They don't care about gays and lesbians who live their own lives but don't push their views on others. But Russian authorities know that gay/lesbian sexual conduct is corruptive and that it's best to not trust gay/lesbian groups.

If American schools want an honest dialogue on this, then opposing views must be given, though gay/lesbian groups dislike it. That means American schoolkids should have the right to tell a teacher that gays/lesbian sexual conduct is bad and corruptive and that information from homosexual groups is not trustworthy. Kids must not be suspended from school because they give a view against gay/lesbian topic which the teacher does not like. That means it's best for schoolkids to not listen to gay/lesbian propaganda.

 

the above is a very good point. We are talking about a sexual behavior, not a species or gender. It must be treated like religion, either not discussed at all or all sides are given equal time.

 

That's retarded. Gay people are always one of the genders. They're all men or women.

They're all homo sapiens too.

Sexual orientation should not be an issue when it comes to marriage. Let's make it simple. 2 adults = marriage. Except beings put in an inferior state by the marriage.

Then you can find something else to be an intolerant old prude about.

 

As the anti gay movement dwindles into irrelevance...the last gasps will be the most dramatic.

They know deep down futility is creeping up on them, so they're getting both bolder and more desperate at the same time. Like Khamikazis only all anti gay marriage.

 

OK, my side has lost information war, but truth remains same. Gay/lesbian conduct is bad for health and must be seen the same way as smoking. They must abolish sex changes-a surgical mutilation. Russia was Communist until 1989. As I haven’t been to Russia (though would like to), I don’t know how religious Russians have become. But some of the Russians who support the laws against gay/lesbian and transsexual propaganda are atheists, so there are atheists who are against the gay/lesbian agenda because gay/lesbian conduct is bad for health just as smoking is. We must work to find cure for gay/lesbian conduct and only sexual behavior must be penis/vaginal sex between man and woman.

Never have I heard straights blame childhood sex abuse for reasons they do straight sexual behaviors. Yet sometimes, have heard gays and lesbians say childhood sex abuse is reason they do same sex behaviors-it’s about ending same sex conduct even if attractions don’t change. Behavior can be learned. If a boy is homosexually raped repeatedly or homolested, it’s more likely he will do gay conduct in adulthood because sex abuse damaged his mind and caused him to behave in ways he wouldn’t. If the boy had not been homolested, then it’s less likely he would do gay conduct in adulthood. Only those who are dishonest or deluded deny it. While they have not conclusively proven same sex behaviors are genes-if that is true, it would be same as alcoholic gene. There are people who become alcoholics because they learn becoming drunkards by seeing this, emulating and getting addicted. Then some people are alcoholics because they have alcoholic gene.

 

Not just the information war, the rest of the war too. It won't be long till gay marriage cannot be prohibited anywhere in the US.

Being gay is not unhealthy in any way, except for the abuse gays recieve from people who oppose them.

 

Careful what you wish for. The religious have never had to face the kind of stigma for their religion in this country the way homosexuals have. Suggesting that kind of talk against homosexuality is appropriate in school opens up a whole new ballgame of what's the kind of religious bashing that I doubt you'd want to see.

Also, what makes the color of one's skin special with regard to how you can speak about them? There are all sorts of cultural and statistical differences correlated with skin color, all sorts of physical/genetic characteristics that can be regarded as good and bad. I don't see why you draw the line there.

That said, I have seen and heard exactly that kind of talk regarding homosexuality in my high school government classes, and nobody was suspended. The topic was being addressed in class, it was discussed abstractly, and nobody was personally harassed. Personally I don't have much problem with this, it allowed a discussion.

 

Gay/lesbian marriage is nontopic for me-the law already allows it. But none of that change truth that gay/lesbian behaviors are bad for health and need to be treated same way as smoking is. Science must work to find a cure for gay/lesbian conduct no matter why it happens be it bad genes (though it's not been conclusively been proven it's inborn) or because of childhood sex abuse. & again, my reasons are secular. 1 can have secular reasons to be against gay/lesbian behaviors just as 1 can have secular reasons to be against smoking.

The posters denying the link between childhood sex abuse and adult gay/lesbian behaviors including here are usually gay, lesbian or a sympathizer. But honestly again, it's my view that you're denying what you know is true because any behavior including sexual behavior can be learned by what 1 sees in youth. Sex abuse in youth can cause people to behave in ways they wouldn't have. It's not controversial to talk of nightmares, suicides, bedwetting often a result of sex abuse in youth esp. sex abuse where gays homolest young boys. Yet when 1 talks of a person doing gay/lesbian behaviors in adulthood because this is sexual behavior they learned by being repeatedly homolested when they were boys, then the gays with politically safe psychologists complain about how their's no link, that it's correlation not causation but politically correct psychologists who deny this know it's possible for a boy to turn out gay as a result of childhood sex abuse, yet they still deny what they know is true. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds. Abolish sex change maimings. Childhood sex abuse does cause adult gay/lesbian behaviors for some and it's undebatable truth.

 

Another thing-I used to be neutral on homosexuality but in 2005 changed my view on this because pro-gay bias meddles with truth. I don’t care that the biased American Medical Association says that homosexual/lesbian activities isn’t a disease-still go ahead & cure it. It’s a fact that 33% of gays report homosexual rape in youth. Why people take part in gay/lesbian activities is the same as why people get heart disease. Some people take part in gay/lesbian activities because maybe it’s because of biological defect such as hormones or if it’s genes a birth defect-though again, they've not conclusively proven it's inborn. Then some people take part in gay/lesbian activities because of childhood sex abuse reaction. It doesn’t take an expert to know that sex abuse esp. homosexual rape in youth can mess up the mind. There are people who take part in gay activities in adulthood due to reaction from homosexual rapes in youth. I have never heard a straight man blame sex abuse or any other bad thing for the reason he has sex with women and has children with her. Yet I’ve heard some gays & lesbians say that they think sex abuse in youth is a reason why they take part in gay/lesbian activities & it’s hard to know how sex abuse impacted mind. You can rerun again & again that homosexuality isn’t a disease, but again, I say go ahead & cure it. Abolish sex change mutilations. Unsure what else we can say because we’ll mainly repeat what we’ve said so many times already on this topic.

 

Was discussing about Methew Wayne Shepard being a drug dealer who sold Meth on another forum. This poster is not a lawyer, friend or relative for either men who killed Methew Wayne Shepard. But truth is Methew Wayne Shepard mistreated others and in the end he got killed by 2 men, no matter why it happened. What I know is that with Methew Wayne Shepard dead, Methew Wayne Shepard won't be able to sell any more drugs as that journalist believes and Methew Wayne Shepard won't be able to homolest any1 else because before his death, drug junky Methew Wayne Shepard had also been sexually abusing young men by getting them high on drugs to sexually abuse them. If the 2 men by killing Methew Wayne Shepard prevented him from sexually abusing any more 17 year old boys, then what they did is disguised blessing.

Some people including you are biased about Methew Wayne Shepard, that they get offended and let bias meddle with truths about him selling drugs. Methew Wayne Shepard was a drug junky who used Crystal Meth which is old news. It's old news that in August 1998, he falsely accused a bartender of sex abuse. What is new information is that Methew Wayne Shepard sold drugs which is what that journalist believes after interviewing people who knew him. The journalist who is saying Methew Wayne Shepard's a drug dealer in his book is himself gay. If that journalist had been a Fundamentalist Christian, gay/lesbian groups would say that right wing journalist and how what he says must be dismissed because he is biased. If Methew Wayne Shepard did sell drugs, he was unlikely to tell friends and family about it-you don’t always know secrets friends and family have. Do not be surprised if Methew Wayne Shepard sold drugs. But those other things about him are known long before this book came out such as Methew Wayne Shepard being a drug junky and the fact that in August 1998, Methew Wayne Shepard falsely accused a man of sex abuse which was disproven by medical tests.

 

Aaaaand.....that's where I stopped reading.

 

Why that kind of talk is even tolerated anymore is beyond me.

 

When anyone dies, the left look for something to exploit whether it be skin color or homosexuality.

"Methew" (lol btw) died at the hands of his drug connections and apparently someone he had had sex with.

Ignoring his drug dealing life and lies of sexual abuse, and using him as the poster boy for all things "gay victimization" is akin to hoisting Trayvon Martin up a flag pole to wave the flag of "racism".

 

Thanks for your comment.

With Trayvon Benjamin Martin's death, most of what the Mainstream Media said is propaganda and not a race case. My view with that was it was negligent homicide but not Murder 2. Believe it was negligent homicide because George M. Zimmerman as a security night watchman was held to higher standard and when 911 operator told him not to follow, he should not have followed. But at the same time, prosecution did a bad job and people must respect acquittal which the jury believed after hearing prosecutor and defense lawyers.

Why Methew Wayne Shepard was killed, only he and his killers know. But must say that if some1 is drunk or high on drugs that they can't understand what they are doing, then it's rape/sex abuse. If it’s true that Methew Wayne Shepard had sex with others while the others were high on drugs, then Methew Wayne Shepard committed sex abuse/rape. A person who is high on drugs or so drunk that their thinking is impaired can NOT consent to sex. For consent, the person has to knowingly and voluntarily have sex with all their mental faculties working. Having sex with some1, while that person is high on Meth is rape/sex abuse, because the person high on Meth is so impaired that they can not understand what they are doing. Problem with proving this is that you get experts who will argue how lucid some1 was when they were high & or drunk that they could comprehend they were having sex vs. experts who argue how the victim's judgment was so impaired when they were high and or drunk that they could not understand what they were doing and then jury decides which is credible.

But something to consider. Methew Wayne Shepard sexually abused 17 year old boys and young men as Methew W. Shepard had sex with others when both Methew W. Shepard and the young men had done drugs. The gay journalist made it out to be consent including where he says Methew Wayne Shepard had a relationship with 1 of his killers-but what the journalist did not consider or ignores (@least in video interviews seen by me) is how impaired were the young men by the drugs Methew W. Shepard gave them? Methew Wayne Shepard (who was promiscuous including after he learned he had AIDS) had sex with 16 to 17 year old boys and young men after he lured the 16 year old boys with drugs, getting them high, and then having sex with them. Possibly in Methew W. Shepard's mind, he rationalized it by thinking the young men consented but we do not know how impaired the young men were. 1 of the men who killed Methew Wayne Shepard was a drug junky who would get high on Meth and also would sell them. The gay journalist said that he had a relationship with Methew W. Shepard-the killer denies this. But if what the journalist said is true, then it could also be said that Methew W. Shepard committed sex abuse on the man because the man's thinking was badly impaired by being high on drugs. Whether or not this happened, we're better off with Methew W. gone because no more young men will be sexually abused by Methew Wayne Shepard and Methew Wayne Shepard won't sell any more drugs. Harvey Bernard Milk sexually abused a 16 year old boy in 1964 and that 16 year old boy had drug problems. When you think of Methew Wayne Shepard’s murder, think about the teenage boys Methew Wayne Shepard homolested and the fact that no more teenage boys will be homolested by him.

 

It's not tolerated here in Northern California. I mean sure!...he could say it, but he'd automatically become a social pariah, and appropriatly ignored.

 

Proof of your claims please. Given that the killers themselves deny those claims, you really are reaching.

 

Seeing Methew Wayne Shepard also being discussed on Catholic Forum. As expected, so much talk about the 1998 killing, why it happened, but little said about his victims. Why Methew Wayne Shepard was killed by 2 men is minor topic. Who we must care more about are the young men who Methew Wayne Shepard victimized. Methew Wayne Shepard was a drug junky and Methew Wayne Shepard sexually abused teenage boys and young men by getting them high on drugs so as their judgment would be impaired and then Methew Wayne Shepard sexually abused them. Methew Wayne Shepard sexually abused 17 year old boys and young men as Methew W. Shepard had sex with others when both Methew W. Shepard and the young men had done drugs.

The gay journalist made it out to be consent including where he says Methew Wayne Shepard had a relationship with 1 of his killers-but what the journalist did not consider or ignores (@least in video interviews seen by me) is how impaired were the young men by the drugs Methew W. Shepard gave them? Methew Wayne Shepard (who was promiscuous including after he learned he had AIDS) had sex with 16 to 17 year old boys and young men after he lured the 16 year old boys with drugs, getting them high, and then having sex with them. Possibly in Methew W. Shepard's mind, he rationalized it by thinking the young men consented but we do not know how impaired the young men were. 1 of the men who killed Methew Wayne Shepard was a drug junky who would get high on Meth and also would sell them. The gay journalist said that he had a relationship with Methew W. Shepard-the killer denies this. But if what the journalist said is true, then it could also be said that Methew W. Shepard committed sex abuse on the man because the man's thinking was badly impaired by being high on drugs. Whether or not this happened, we're better off with Methew W. gone because no more young men will be sexually abused by Methew Wayne Shepard and Methew Wayne Shepard won't sell any more drugs. Harvey Bernard Milk sexually abused a 16 year old boy in 1964 and that 16 year old boy had drug problems. When you think of Methew Wayne Shepard’s murder, think about the teenage boys Methew Wayne Shepard homolested and the fact that no more teenage boys will be homolested by him. If posters here see nothing wrong with Methew Wayne Shepard's antisocial conduct, then there is something wrong with them.