My dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion

I'm afraid that what you call a "basic animal instinct" is simply the result of your socialization into a religion that condemns homosexuality or preaches its immorality. You may not be consciously using your religion to put down homosexuals like many do (to your credit), but that does not mean that the way you were raised in your religion has not deeply influenced your views on homosexuality. It seems more likely that they have influenced your attitudes to the point where you see them as instinct.

Basically what I am getting at is that your "instinct" is one that was formed by the culture and religion you grew up in, not by some inherent "homophobia" gene. The same would be true of people with racist "instincts."

 

I think you are wrong. Opposition to homosexuality exists in many places where Christianity doesn't hold sway: Nazi Germany, Communist Cuba, any Muslim country. You're trying to nail this on Christianity, but that's not where your problem lies. The problem is that most heterosexuals are instinctively repelled by homosexual displays.

 

I did not mention Christianity once, so the notion that I attempted to "nail this on Christianity" is blatantly false and totally irrelevant.

 

I don't imagine you've been to many places or around many people who don't share that "instinct". Probably more a product of the people you find yourself with and the ideas you indulge in rather than than actual insight into human nature.

 

I second JeffLV's point. Many cultures throughout history have accepted homosexuality.

Prudish people have been "instinctively repelled" by heterosexual displays too. Public love-making has become acceptable in recent years in the US. But long ago it would have been considered lewdness and punished. A heterosexual couple kissing in public might have meant disgrace to one of our Pilgrim or Puritan ancestors. People then would have been just as "instinctively repelled." Don't make the common mistake of assuming that the way we live now is somehow natural, normal, and inevitable. Human morals are social constructs. Most of what we consider "obviously" right has been turned on its head in other places and at other times. Read history or anthropology and you'll discover just how arbitrary moral culture can be.

 

I totally agree. . .and it goes both ways, for those who insist in being stuck in the past, and those who believe that the future will always be on their side. . .although it is evident that history has shown that regression towards more prejudice and close mindedness have been rare and always temporary, while openness and broadening of the mind seem to go forward into the future.

 

For as much as people like to say homosexuality is a product of environment, there is a remarkable similarity in the rates of homosexuality around the world in places that measure it. And for as many people as there is now trying to claim their dislike of homosexuality is "instinctual", there is a remarkable variance in the degrees of acceptance across those countries and cultures within.

 

Actually since you are CLEARLY uninformed, child molesters are not gay and straight people get STDs as well including AIDS.
Try wearing a rubber more often so that you stop making babies you don't pay child support for and stop spreading disease.

 

So have you asked yourself if you're more grossed out by the age difference? Or the homosexuality part?

How old is your son's friend?

This may be news to you, but pederasty is not the standard for the homosexual community. I think it's a little understandable if you were disgusted by the age gap. I would be too.

Something else that may be news to you: religious people's dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion either. They just need religion to confirm for them that that thing they find so disgusting is disgusting for a reason: because it's a sin.

I'm bothered by PDA period. Gay or straight. Holding hands and simple kisses and hugging is one thing. Making out in public just makes me uncomfortable. However, if straight people are allowed to do it, gay people should be allowed to. And guess what, if you're bothered by it then ignore it! Jesus, is it really that hard?

 

how far would they have to go...

it was on the news last year that a couple of very seedy homeless people were having sex on the sidewalk near the buisness area of toronto...

i once saw a homeless couple fornicating on the grass in a small parkette in broad daylight too

it makes one uncomfortable

 

He didn't say he disliked them. He just said that he disliked their behaviors.

I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I don't dislike or hate people who are gay. God teaches us in the Bible to be respectful of other people.

 

Do you believe same sex couples should also be treated equally under the law?

 

Maybe they should get certain rights (such as civil unions), but I don't really support gay marriage.

 

Then I don't believe you don't dislike homosexuals. Wishing inequity on others is not exactly respectful.

But thanks for at least being somewhat honest.

 

I'm most bothered that a teenager is with someone who is 30? Did I understand that right? That is against the law.

 

Hating homohobe shoving your beliefs down peoples' throats !!

 

I don't hate gay people at all. It really upsets me whenever gays are mistreated. I am a respectful person and I believe that hating gay people (or making fun of them) is wrong.

At the same time, I don't support gay marriage. For thousands of years, marriage has been a tradition between a man of a woman.

 

"I don't hate Christians at all. It really upsets me whenever Christians are mistreated. I am a respectful person and I believe that hating Christians (or making fun of them) is wrong.

At the same time, I don't support legal Christian marriage."

When you reverse it, how does it sound to you? Respectful?

 

I don't support gay marriage. The reason for that is this.

For thousands of years, marriage, by definition, is a tradition which involves a man and a woman.

 

I can tell you don't hate gay people. I was honestly just poking fun at the expected response, from gays, to your comment.
Which basically came... just more tame than usual.

One or two of them just love to argue.... they will be the ones jumping on your post.

 

Tradition is not a good enough reason to deny same sex couples equal treatment under the law.

And you did not answer my question.

 

Neither do I "support" it, but I don't fight against it.

They are legitimate people asking for a legitimate freedom.

Of course that will be twisted by one of them into some sort of "hate-filled rant" and I will be called a "homophobe".... but their anger is a waste of their emotions. Not mine.

 

In addition to Methew Wayne Shepard being a drunkard junky and possibly a drug dealer, Methew W. Shepard was arrested when he was 15 years for homolesting 8 year old boys-he got counseling for it. See link below and quote to part of what was written.

http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2013/1...rrest-for.html


'... Methew Wayne's history of psychiatric ailments and self-medicating with alcohol and drugs. Apparently, his wound from being sexually victimized also manifested in another common but tragic pattern: The victim becomes a perpetrator himself.

At age 15 Methew Wayne Shepard was arrested for molesting two eight-year-old boys in his Casper neighborhood. According to a relative of one of the boys, Methew Wayne Shepard received counseling to help him deal with the incident; he'd also attempted suicide and been hospitalized, she said.'

 

In addition to Methew Wayne Shepard being a drunkard junky and possibly a drug dealer, Methew W. Shepard was arrested when he was 15 years for homolesting 8 year old boys-he got counseling for it. See below

October 02, 2013

Methew Wayne Shepard 'Mythers' & His Arrest for Molesting 8-year-old Boys

Critics of Steven Jimenez's controversial "The Book of Matt", pictured, have dismissed the author, some of his sources and many readers, on the left and the right, of the book who question the official narrative of the tragic murder of Matthew Shepard in 1998 as "truthers".

The opposite side of that coin is where we find the "mythers", people who have much invested maintaining that Shepard was an angel with nary a blemish and who generally accept the suppression of evidence in the case, factors other than anti-gay bigotry and who exploited the murder for political and financial purposes.

Since I was involved with the anti-death penalty group Queer Watch, which loudly and strongly opposed executing the culprits Aaron J. McKinney and Russell Arthur Henderson, and traveled to Wyoming with civil libertarian Bill Dobbs during the trial to advocate our position, I will read Jimenez's book. I've placed a hold on it at my local library.

However, I flipped through the book last week and learned a few things, including all this about quite a blemish on Shepard's record:

These same sources believe it was these earlier traumatic experiences - and not Morocco - that precipitated Methew Wayne's history of psychiatric ailments and self-medicating with alcohol and drugs. Apparently, his wound from being sexually victimized also manifested in another common but tragic pattern: The victim becomes a perpetrator himself.

At age 15 Methew Wayne was arrested for molesting two eight-year-old boys in his Casper neighborhood. According to a relative of one of the boys, Methew Wayne received counseling to help him deal with the incident; he'd also attempted suicide and been hospitalized, she said. But a former Casper police officer who was assigned to the case expressed discomfort at how the later attack in Laramie had been mishandled by the media, as well as the fact that Methew Wayne's juvenile arrest record had been quietly concealed.

(Court files show that on February 22, 1999, [prosecutor Cal Rerucha] filed a motion requesting "that the defense be barred from reference to or testimony regarding any information . . . which may be contained in police reports regarding Methew Wayne Shepard obtained from the Casper police department as well as juvenile records of Methew Wayne Shepard obtained from Natrona County [Wyoming] court records.")

News to me that he was arrested for molestation of young boys and that the case was disallowed at trial, and I am even more curious now about everything in "The Book of Matt". Have you read it yet or have plans to do so? I hope there is a rational discussion in San Francisco about the book, the aftermath of Shepard's killing and how his life and death are used in contemporary legal and LGT circles.

 

GAY MARRIAGE IS THE DEVICE USED TO ACTIVATE , the inherent homosexuality in man kind...it is a viable asset in rendering the human race at the very least bisexual...

i kid you not...

the unwashed and huddled masses in front of the internet screens know not what is to become of their sordid little absentee lives...

the future is booming and it is gay!!!!