My dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion

My son has his friends come over on the weekends, and we play role-playing games like Pathfinder, and card games like Munchkin.

Anyway, his friends sometime bring over their girlfriends and they show PDA and it doesn't really bother me because, well, it seems normal to me for teenage boys and girls to do that.

But one of my son's friends is gay, and for the first time ever he invited over his much older gay lover (he must be at least 30). I was not consulted, but decided to be open-minded and hoped things worked out.

Well, they started romping around and acting gay and I decided that I really was uncomfortable with it, and it has nothing to do with Christian morality, it has to do with the fact that homosexuality is simply repulsive to me on a basic animal instinct level.

I really think homosexuals should be more discrete, because their behavior really is really repulsive and its like not polite to flaunt it, no more than it is polite to not take a shower, or to vomit in front of other people, or go to the bathroom with the door open.

 

Fair enough.

That was good of you.

You are certainly entitled to find it repulsive.

Ironically, I feel that way about many religious believers. But I tolerate them because in doing so, I selfishly defend my own freedom.

Again, I feel the same way about most relgious believers. If they could just keep their religion in their homes, you'd hear nary a peep out of me.

That's the wonderful thing about America--we're not all the same. I generally frown on PDAs of any kind, and though I don't really get homosexuality, it doesn't bother me. And I mean, come on, who doesn't like to watch hot lesbians go at each other?

 

You know what also grosses me out? When I see old people, ugly people, or fat people kissing. Seriously, it is repulsive to me on a basic animal instinct level. They need to be more discreet.

 

As disgusting and perverse as they are in regards to their PDA... I'm more disturbed by the exceedingly high rate of STD's and child molestation in the homosexual community... also nothing to do with religion.

 

It seems your son doesn't really care if his friend is gay. What do you think about that?

 

Old people having sex.

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Unless you're referring to the Catholic Church, I'd like to see your statistics on the 'exceedingly high rate of child molestation' among homosexuals.

 

It is not the leanings of being homosexual that is the sin.
The sin is the sex between two persons of the same sex.

That's not my belief.
That is the Church dogma stated again recently by Pope Francis.

Moi

 

If I find your attitude towards homosexuals repulsive, should you be expected to keep it to yourself?

 

That's all very fair and reasonable.

This is where how we're all programmed or indoctrinated affects us. To say that our 'religion' does NOT inform how we fell/think about things, is to ignore reality. If you were raised as a "Christian" in this society, it is very likely that you were taught to view homosexuality (anything about it) in an averse fashion.

I am a spiritual person and for the majority of my life I've been interested in religion (particularly Christianity); I'm also gay, so I know what most churches teach/instill in the minds of individuals. If not for the character of Christ Himself, I would have dropped everything "Christian" long ago. That is because I'm became certain that the anti-gay interpretation of many things-Biblical... wasn't something I could/would abide. Too many people (including myself, many within my generation and before) came out of religious indoctrination as ill-equipped to deal with homosexuality or homosexual people. It was something one was taught to be hyper-averse toward, even for no logical reasons... except it was what someone said that the Bible said.

I used to believe that ANY 'open' expression of homosexuality was wrong, but that is what I was taught/conditioned to think and believe. I wasn't just a closeted person, but also someone in a 'shell'. It took me until my 40's to realize that wasn't normal or healthy for human beings. I know and can tell anyone that my religious upbringing definitely caused me to 'repress' my homosexuality. I was literally programmed to be "homophobic". Now, that works to keep homosexuality under the surface (only for a time with most), but it is also something that leads many to be less-than-whole as human beings. And while I was nowhere near as 'horny' as most people I ever knew, going without intimacy for very long periods of time... I understand that others gay/straight want and need to hold hands or share a kiss from time-to-time. Yet, to this day, I'm NOT one for excessively-erotic PUBLIC displays of affection; in the back of my mind I'm always thinking... "Get a room.", when I see it.

Well, what you describe above IS a matter of perception and is subjective. Many people DO NOT find homosexuality "repulsive"; though (as explained above) I understand that many can/do. Still, I have to tell you... that your Christian views/indoctrination (if you have them) probably DO inform the way you feel. I'm one of those people who would probably sense how YOU feel and even care about it; but at some point I would not show up to hang out with you much at all, once I figured that out. It's just too much to deal with overall, considering all the other pressures and cares of this life.

As a literally GAY person, I can tell you that religion affected even myself; but being homosexual, I had more cause to examine the same over a period of MANY years; most "Christians" don't have cause to bring that kind of (intellectual) microscope/razor upon their 'faith'.

 

Not the topic of this htread.

 

Why don't you call it Jewish indoctrination? The "Abrahamic" religions are all based on it.

 

Instead of complaining to all of us....grow a set and tell your son what you just typed at us. I would be interested to hear how much respect you lose in his eyes, and if he ever invites his friends around you again.

Don't like Homosexuality....don't be gay.
Don't like Sushi....don't buy it.
Don't like being called bigoted......don't act like a bigot.

 

Yep. I don't get the 'lesbian' thing at all; but two hot men going at it is a turn-on for me. But that's because I'm gay, and we (human beings) all tend to like what we 'imagine' doing ourselves.

And I'm with you on the PDA's in general.

 

I'm more disturbed by your unsupported claims and homophobia.

 

Yeah, not so much into dude-on-dude. But again, whatever spins your rotor...

 

Yes, this is all very interesting.

 

I can respect that, for sure. I'm just making the point that gay people are not misguided straight people, who have somehow lost their way (as some tend to believe).

What heterosexuals like to do (watch), homosexuals like also (as related to and regarding the minor exceptions we already know).

 

You play games with your son's teenage friends?

And you like watching teens make out?

You are never open minded....my guess is you made this up

How do you act gay? Did they redecorate your livingroom or maybe make a red wine gastrique? So your position is you are a bigot. Got it.

I feel that way about right wing bigots. Please take your own advise can keep your bigotry to yourself.

 

would you prefer teenage daughter have a 30 year old man come over, I think the issue here is the 30 years of age, not the hetero\homosexual part of it

 

Sure that's no problem.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf

Page12: Nearly a quarter (27%) of the victims under age 12 were male.
Page8: Overall, 6% of the offenders who sexually assaulted juveniles were female, compared with just 1% of the female offenders who sexually assaulted adults
Page5: Females under age 12 were the lone victims in 77% of their sexual assaults compared with 69% of young males.

So. If 27% of the victims under age 12 are male, that means out of 1000 victims, we have 270 males that were victimized. Of those males 94% of them were sexually assaulted by males. Which 270*.94 = 253.8 or 254.

Out of 254 male victims who were assaulted by males, 69% of them were assaulted alone. 254*.69 = 175.26 or 175. So we have at LEAST 175 cases out of 1000 where a male sexually assaulted another male under the age of 18. I'll even say that all 79 males that are left were assaulted by one guy. So we have 176 cases out of 1000 where a male sexually assaulted another male under the age of 18... Leaving 176/1000 = 17.6%

17.6% of the total child molestations being males engaged in homosexual activities with another male who was under the age of 12.

Do you disagree with those numbers and that conclusion? If so, on what grounds?

Also... I'd like to point out... According to most experts the rate of child molestation is grossly underreported (at only around 3%) and among boys its reported even less... which means in reality that number is far higher.

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Read the portion I just posted for Bow To The Robots for the information on child molestation.

And here is the source for the rate of STDs.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msmpressrelease.html

The data, presented at CDC's 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

The range was 522-989 cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men and 13 per 100,000 women.

The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women.

 

Until you accept that homosexual behavior is as normal as heterosexual behavior, you're going to be ostracized, bastardized, criticized and eventually jailed. I really do believe the day is coming when we will not be able to speak openly in opposition to homosexuals.

 

Well... if the rate of child molestation by homosexuals is high now... wait until they have full and unfettered access to children because they can adopt them through marriage.

I feel exceedingly sorry for those children, but at least it will provide the platform the USA needs to realize again the dangers and perversion of homosexuality.

 

This is so transparent. As if only "Abrahamic" religions are opposed to homosexuality. Good luck with that myth.

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Homos are too sophisticated for that. Only hetero, toothless, white people of Christian and European ancestry have sex with their children.

 

So, there is the data you've provided.

Assuming that your own interpretations conclusions are actually correct (which I surely doubt), what do you think could/should be done about the same?

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Wow. Just more homophobic nonsense and bigotry.

Amazing.

 

That's something you imagine was suggested. Even so, religion and other values systems instill many biases in human beings, many of which people are not consciously aware of.

That is reality.

Pedophilia is hardly a problem that is exclusive to homosexual people.