New DeSantis immigration law backfires as farmers and hotels struggle to find workers

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  1. CornPop

    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    It's not the role of the Supreme Court to make rulings on what YOU feel is best for society. It's their job to make rulings based on the law. Congress never authorized the president to cancel student debt. We live in a constitutional republic, not a dictatorship. Sorry.
     
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    Yep that is the map of donor state

    Donor states

    Donor states are the states that pay more money to the federal government in taxes by residents than what they receive for funding; this amount is called the balance of payments. In other words, donor states are states where the balance of payments is negative. The higher the negative number, the more the state paid compared to what it received.

    VS is #3 Highest donor state in the country. They send more money to FED GOV then receive. Alaska on the other hand is the state depend on Fed Aid more then any other state in USA.


    Donor States 2023 - Wisevoter

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    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    You are right. Fortunately, for Democrat, America will answer back to SCOTUS with their vote in 2024 and tell them what kind of society or SCOTUS they want.

    Next court year SCOTUS will take few more case that is controversial and decide against majority Americans. And America will reply back exactly they way they deserve with their vote in 2024. Enjoy the SCOTUS verdict as long as it last.
     
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    And cons proclaim to love the military, which operates on authoritarianism in the name of the collective.
     
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  5. Endeavor

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    This 50 million Americans not working also include collage student, high school student older then 16, active duty personals, disable American, stay home mom.

    Collage enrolment in 2023 – 18.2 million

    High school student older the 16 2023 3 million.

    Active duty in military – 1.4 million

    That is total 22.6 million. I could not find data about stay home mom. But since the pandemic many woman left workforce and decided to be stay home mom.

    Just because these 50 millions are not working in some business doesn’t mean they are sitting at home watching TV. They are serving their country all over the world, they are defending our nation, they are enrolling in school and collages and they are taking care the future generation of America.
     
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  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, we are discussing children permanently removed from their parents for a crime no greater than a misdemeanor. That's what we're discussing.

    And my link proves your claim is bogus
     
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  7. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What absolute arrogant tripe.

    We have the food, the energy, the minerals, and the resources.

    Your desire to be superior with things like fiat currency and technology is funny.

    The cities would melt down into anarchy and violence without the products the rural areas provide. No food, no power, no fuel, no resources... it would be absolute madness in the cities.

    What happens if the stock market dives or tech companies go bankrupt? From the perspective of the rural areas... nothing. Very little impact.

    But you go on thinking from a superior perspective, as if you fiat currency means anything if the **** hits the fan.



    Ahhh. More arrogance.

    YOU and people like you think you know better than a foundational document that has resulted in one of the most prosperous countries the world has ever seen for hundreds of years.

    But... it's old now. And you know better.

    Lol

    The arrogance.

    uh... the document can be modified. Do it.



    lol

    Right right.

    Liberal enclaves are so great, people are fleeing them... just because.
     
  8. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok.

    I'm done.

    You can't even read your own graphs.

    Donor States that give more than they recieve are represented as a negative number. (Note NY on the right -$22k

    Virginal gets far more than they contribute in the #1 position because of federal workers.

    You don't even know what your facts say.
     
  9. Zorro

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    We all worked while we were in highschool and college, and still had plenty of time to party and study. They aren't cupcakes, you know.

    Anyway, if we were experiencing labor shortages, we wouldn't be seeing flat and declining real wages and reduced hours. Illegal hiring by employers, just makes it worse for legal workers. I'm still a little surprised that so many on the left are supporting hiring illegals so that employers can uncut the pay of legal employees.

    It looks like RFK is right, today's Democrat Party of privileged authoritarian leftists no longer serve the working and middle class. Hopefully the Democrat Party will come to their senses and return to their previous love of America and Americans.
     
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  10. Lil Mike

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    I didn't really have a comment, I just want to emphasize your anti-constitutional comment.
     
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    Here is a breaking news you might have missed – this is 2023 not 1787.
     
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    A 16 years old boy in high school not working is “privileged” to you?

    You want 16 years old boy in high school and working in meat packing factory?

    You are right, we have a completely different view of the world.
     
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  13. Zorro

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    I doubt your reading comprehension is actually that bad.
    If they wish too, and safety standards are being followed, why not?
     
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    Oh my goodness , I want to change/amend the constitution so I must be anti-constitutional. Sky is falling, sky is falling.

    News flash – US constitution has been amended 27 times.
     
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    Ah if only you had said that.
     
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    Well , let me repeat what I said. US constitution is just a piece of paper with some text written 1787. It was great when it was written but many of those policy don’t belong in 21st century. 27 times Americans found many of the law written in constitution are obsolete so Americans amended the constitution 27 times.

    US constitution is a living breathing document, we change the document to fit the needs of todays world, or throw that piece of paper away. Either way American will go on and change. That is called progressivism. Conservative on the other hand, every election cycle they have less and less voting block. Eventually by 2036 there wouldn’t be enough conservative to elect someone to WH. By 2050 there wouldn’t be enough conservative to stop another amendment in the constitution. Most likely the 1st things liberal will do , removed 2nd amendment altogether.
     
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    Yes I've no doubt you'll remove the 1st and 2nd amendment as soon as possible. That's never been in doubt.
     
  18. Endeavor

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    Finally we agree on something.
     
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    How old are you?
     
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    'DeSantis recently instituted a tough e-verify employment validation system mandated on all large employers in the state. DeSantis moves to ensure that American citizens do not have to compete against illegal and unjust labor market competition from illegal immigrants in Florida. Naturally, the donor class and Big Business hate such proposals that raise pay for American citizens, but DeSantis prioritizes our people and our sovereignty.'

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...s_will_succeed_where_trump_failed_149439.html
     
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    Its not anti constitutional. Jefferson thought that it should be rewritten every 20 yrs.
     
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    And here is some for you- You may not like the US Constitution, but... It is still in effect, and if you are working to undermine it, that makes you an enemy, because the oaths that members of the military, federal elected officials, and so forth take is to uphold and defend that "outdated piece of paper" that you despise so thoroughly. However, as others have pointed out, there is a mechanism for changing it that does not involve just ignoring it, or pretending it says what you wish it said, rather than what is there in black and white.
     
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    When I was 16, my day began at 6:30 am, when I woke up, drove myself to school in a borrowed beater that my father was not using, attended my classes, after school it was sports and/or band (except no band during football season), then I went to my job at McDonald's, frequently working until 0200 to close the restaurant.

    It was difficult, and I was tired all the time, but... It built character that has lasted the rest of my life, instilled in me a good work ethic, pride in doing things the right way, and the first time, increasing my skills in order to increase my responsibilities (and income), and preparing me to adult, a skill that has eroded dramatically in the past few decades as kids come out of school thinking someone else owes them a living, and they shouldn't have to work to accomplish it. A good, hard day's work is beyond the comprehension of so many of today's youth, which is sad, and leads us to some of the problems we have today. It might change in the future when we have robots who will do most of what it takes human labor to accomplish now, but those days, if indeed they ever come, are not here yet.

    So, yes, I want 16-year-olds working, building character, learning skills and work ethic, and all that jazz. And I want people who want a handout to get used to nothing but ramen noodles, if they even get that.

    PS... I actually happen to love ramen noodles, and have a bowl at least once a week, frequently more.
     
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    You will likely never, and certainly not in any of our lifetimes, get 38 States to agree to abolish the 2A, and even if you somehow managed to accomplish that, I maintiain, and I'm far from alone, that it is implied in the 9th and 10th Amendments, so you'd have to get over that hurdle as well. The document is changable, yes, by design, but that requires actually amending it through the incredibly and intentionally difficult process, not just ignoring it.

    Sorry.

    Not really.
     
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    And when was that?
     

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