New DeSantis immigration law backfires as farmers and hotels struggle to find workers

Why do you ask?

 

For last 2000 years every generation has story “ when I was 16, I walked to school in snowstorm , but you kids are so lazy..”

Not interested.

Point is you keep harping about 50 million Americans are not working. As I have showed you out of 50 million, 22 millions are group of people who are in High School, Collage, active duty. Just because :when you were 16 you worked doesn’t mean they have to work.

American has labor shortage. Forcing Americans who don’t want to work is not a solution. I agree with you “undocumented immigrants” are not the solution. As a matter of fact today’s system where undocumented immigrants do cheap labor is equivalent to slavery. That is why past 40 years democrats has been proposing comprehensive immigration reform. But GOP has ZERO interest, they like cheap undocumented labor.

 

We have done it 27 times, we will do so again in future.

I don’t expect any kind of amendments in next 15-20 years. Our politics and culture are so divided, I can’t imagine 38 state will be on same page any time soon. But eventually we will take the constitution.

Personally, I think first one to be amended is Electoral College. Past 32 years, only one time GOP won the majority vote. GOP took WH twice without winning majority vote. If that keeps repeating ( most likely) , Majority Americans will not tolerate much longer. May be another 20 years or 30 years. But at some point majority Americans will not accept a group of minority use constitution to come to power. It doesn’t matter if America was founded as republic, a constitution republic, at some point that is meaningless.

 

Here are the people who were undermining the constitution You are right they are the enemy of the people.



I am not undermining, I am merely saying US constitution which was written in 1787 , many of the text are irrelevant in 21st century and they need to be amended.

 

Because your perspectives are massively idealistic and arrogant which is common people under say... 25 or lack life experiences and reality checks.

 

Sending our hard earn money from blue state to RED state to keep lights on and give poor people food stamps is not “arrogant” , it is an act of charity.

 

Lol.

You don't care about facts.

No thanks. I'm done with your game.

I showed you, with your own facts, that your assumption that rednstate funding is for poor people is absolute BS.

I literally showed you on the map with Virginia as the number one "welfare" state, I backed it up with the sources for the image and linked them.

And what is your response? Rinse repeat thr same BS.

Nope. Click ignore. I refuse to waste my time researching and attempting to educate when your just here l to parrot talking points.

No thanks young'in.

 

Yet , you are replying to my post.

just to provide you more facts

 

Day 3 of DeSantis' attack on food production. Trip to the grocery store proved that all produce items...gone. Black market oranges are through the roof and police reported two gangs in Orlando involved in a shoot out over bags of rice. I'll keep reporting as the apocalypse develops...

 

True then you, dishonestly conflated them with all the workers.

I'm done, you just aren't honest. Sadly

We'll see how Floriduh does when the immigrants leave, lol

50 million workers? LMAOROG

 

Bet you support this guy though?

“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social and accused “Big Tech” of working closely with Democrats. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”

 

Fla. Lawmakers Push back Against DeSantis E-Verify Push

Bill would exempt 56 percent of the state’s illegal workers
https://cis.org/Richwine/Fla-Lawmakers-Push-back-Against-DeSantis-EVerify-Push

 

Supreme Court justices do make law

...If the law were that easy to interpret and apply, the Supreme Court would have no cases to decide. Anyone who has read the Constitution knows that its brief text is subject to different interpretations, even by so-called originalists. Supreme Court justices do make law; it is the reasons for their decisions that matter. What democracy requires are justices who are non-partisan, independent, and fair. That may not be what we get.

...“What’s emerging now is a dangerous loop, in which Republicans barely holding onto power manage to keep control of the Supreme Court by any means necessary, and in return, the Supreme Court’s Republican appointees issue rulings to help their party cling to political power.”
https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2018/supreme-court-justices-do-make-the-law/


...In writing opinions that serve as precedent and in relying on precedent as a source of law, the Supreme Court runs under common law. The justices who write these opinions are undeniably engaged in making law beyond applying it. The entire body of law on freedom of speech was created by the Supreme Court. The First Amendment itself declares, “Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech or of the press.”


The text seems clear but reading it alone fails to capture the scope of the provision. We know, because the Supreme Court has told us, that no law does not actually mean no law. The rules of the First Amendment are not limited to Congress. They apply to the executive branch and to state and local governments as well. Further, the First Amendment also extends its protective reach since it guards against government censorship of books, movies, artwork, and several other forms of free speech.


These deviations from the text of the First Amendment and the scope of free speech beyond its narrow words were set by judicial decisions. The First Amendment prohibition of censorship prior to publication that was invoked in the Pentagon Papers case was a product of judicial law, along with symbolic speech to let a student to wear a black armband in protest of the Vietnam War, and the ban on vague enactments which secured the free speech rights for civil rights marchers in Alabama.


The Supreme Court made law for each of these legal doctrines
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/522726-the-supreme-court-does-make-law/

 

Just the illegal ones are affected. If FL employers want more workers, then they will have to offer the pay and benefits necessary to attract them. Unlike some folks, they don't support hiring illegals as scabs to undercut the wages of legal workers.

 

In the days and weeks after the election, I had some questions, and largely because I ended up hospitalized, again, not long afterwards, I can't find the data if I ever saved it, but it came down to creepy Joe needing something like 85-90% of the outstanding vote in a few critical States to overcome Trump's lead early the next morning, a threshold that candidates running unopposed struggle to reach. Was it legit? Who knows. Nobody does, nobody ever will, but until we start securing our elections more, for starters by requiring would-be voters to prove they are in fact eligible in terms of their citizenship, a critical point that today is done strictly on the honor system, I'll never trust any election absolutely.

All that said, it's water under the bridge at this point, and even if proof so overwhelming that even you couldn't deny it were to come to light that it was shady, it would not be 'undone', so, I'll leave it to the historians while I move on.

As for my personal support of him, no. I knew him back in the day, when I lived in NYC and did business with his company, and he was a typical rich NYC celeb who thought his own excrement didn't stink. That doesn't make him at all unique in that environment, I knew many like him, and liked none of them. I also thought at the time, and still mostly do, that he never intended to win even the nomination, much less the general, but he did, and while I cast a protest vote for Gary Johnson (Lib), I would have sooner seen a literal death row inmate in the White House than HRC, if for nothing else than her view on the 2A, and there was plenty else. I also think history demonstrates pretty conclusively that his replacement has done a worse job than he did, I know that his policies have directly hurt me and my family along with millions of other hard working Americans.

I haven't decided who I'm supporting this time around, it's far too soon to say, but I do find myself attracted to Vivek's messaging thus far. But I will never support the reelection of the fossil currently occupying the Oval Office, even if I have to support the archloch from 5th Avenue to get him removed. But... I hope it doesn't come to that.

Interesting, though, that you bring him up in a thread completely unrelated to him, and in response to a post equally unrelated. He gets a lot of free rent in your head, eh?

 

If I am not mistaken, Orland is in FL and GOV of FL is DeSantis. Oh my goodness what on earth going on in FL under governorship of DeSantis;

The apocalypse develops...

 

This doesn't correlate to the thread title, I'm just trying to fold it in with a thread about miniTrump.

Officials In California And Texas Call On DOJ To Investigate Florida Over Migrant Flights

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), California State Attorney General Rob Bonta and Texas Sheriff Javier Salazar sent a letter to the Department of Justice on Thursday calling for an investigation into the Florida program responsible for transporting migrants to several Democratic-led cities.

“It is unconscionable to use people as political props by persuading them to travel to another state based on false or deceptive representations,” the trio of Democratic officials wrote. “We urge USDOJ to investigate potential violations of federal law by those involved in this Scheme.”

For months now, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott (R) have both been transporting and dropping off migrants in Democratic cities across the country, one-upping one another and using the not-so-cheap stunt to score political points with the MAGA base, all at the expense of vulnerable migrants.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...j-to-investigate-florida-over-migrant-flights

Ron's stunt may come back to haunt him though it appears his campaign for the POT nomination is already over.

 

I wanted to hire some illegal unlicensed roofers to undercut the legitimate contractors and pay them slave wages but it turns out that they all got scared and retreated back to Mexico..

 

But it's perfectly okay for the federal government to fly them in the dead of night all over the country.

 

What my boy @FatBack said. The feds have been doing this under cover of darkness, with no notice given to the receiving State authorities, no press releases, 3am flights protected by Feds, and the "migrants" nee criminal illegal invaders are essentially dropped off wherever with no plans after they land. But, it's the leader of your tribe, so that's A-OK in your book, but when it's someone on the other tribe, then it's an issue.

The time to start treating these people like the criminals they actually are has long past, and it is my fervant hope that we start enforcing existing federal law, mandating e-verify by all employers at the federal level, and creating an environment where it is impossible to survive for them in the United States, if for no other reason than everyone is frightened to death of the consequences of getting caught employing them, and the constant threat of so much as getting pulled over resulting in virtually immediate deportation. They don't belong here, they have no right to be here, they are certainly not our responsibility as we have far too many homegrown leeches as it is, and it's time to put an end to it.

I'm not yet ready to endorse automated machinegun turrets at border areas, but everyday this nonsense continues I get closer and closer. It's not that I wish death on them, I do not, I just want the consequences of violating our sovereignty to be so egregious that nobody even tries. Illegal immigrant labor is modern day slavery, and you guys defend and support it at every turn... Until they start showing up in your backyards. Until every person supporting these abominations known as 'sanctuary' locations, be it city, state, or otherwise has taken in at least one helpless immigrant into their residences for every family member residing therein, including being legally on the hook to feed, house, maintain, entertain, transport, educate, and provide their every need and desire for at least, say, five years, or perhaps more, I don't want to hear another word about anything but solving the problem and eliminating them from our country.

 

They've been using immigrants as human pawns after misinforming them as to why they are being moved?

 

Joe Biden "has been secretly flying illegal immigrants into communities across the country in the middle of the night."





https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-biden-secretly-flying-immigrants-us-cities-/

 

I love when Politifact says something is "mostly false" and then admits it's true in their write-up. Thanks for proving his statement was true. You should never trust Politifact's stupid meter. They're extremely partisan. They make fools of people all the time.

 

I don't love when someone has to desperately cherry pick something that still in no way compromises Politifact's refutation.

• The federal government transports adult detainees in its custody from one facility to another, or from one U.S. city to another during deportation proceedings.
• The vast majority of people on the flights are unaccompanied minors who crossed the border, requested asylum under immigration law, and are being released from federal custody to a parent or sponsor.
• Some of these flights happen at night, but they are not covert operations. The same types of flights were done by the Trump administration.

 

If you are not a regular watcher of Fox News or a reader of the New York Post, Breitbart or the Daily Mail, you might be puzzled by the references above. There’s been virtually no coverage of this supposed news by mainstream media outlets. But there’s been a constant drumbeat of concern in right-wing media, highlighted often by GOP candidates running for governor in Pennsylvania and New York. So one of our colleagues suggested we try to figure out what’s going on.

The implication in some of the news coverage is that the Biden administration is quietly dumping undocumented immigrants into various states away from the border. But that’s wrong. As far as we can tell, little new or different is going on under Biden than under the Trump administration, though the pace of such flights may have increased because of the surge of migrants at the border.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ghost-flights-illegal-immigrants-dont-add-up/

It's regrettable if you don't have access to the entire article since it buries the right wing media lies about the flights under a mountain of facts.