New Hampshire may be first state to violate the Constitution

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    The New Hampshire AG is seeking legal advice, after receiving letters encouraging him to violate the Constitution by barring Trump from the ballot.

    "“Secretary of State David Scanlan, who will oversee the first-in-the-nation presidential primary in just five months, said he’s received several letters lately that urge him to take action based on a legal theory that claims the Constitution empowers him to block Trump from the ballot."

    https://electionlawblog.org/?p=138423

    This is the same crime that Trump is indicted for, except it's actually taking place.

    Thoughts?
     
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    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    Everyone’s entitled to thoughts.

    But the thoughts of the common man only matter at the ballot box

    whatever happens in NH will be decided by their attorney general ..like it or not

    and if the voters don’t agree with the decision then the only recourse is to vote differently next time

    but I doubt there are few legal scholars posting here ..

    It will be someone else’s interpretation of the law if trump is allowed on the ballot

    if Biden was facing the same charges as Trump ..NH would stil be facing the same decision
     
  3. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    The state AG doesn't get to deny a citizen of his rights, without due process of the law. The 14th Amendment says so.

    Personally, I'm looking forward to Democrat AGs ****ing this up.
     
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    no different from anyone else that is not qualified, the right tried to disqualify Obama saying not a US citizen, they were wrong, but had they been right, he would have been disqualified

    now I am sure the Republican SC would deny it, but if Trump is not qualified, then have to remove him

    and Trump tried to steal the election for himself, NH is just checking if he is qualified to run, something that happens to every Candidate

    Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted to run for president, but could not as did not qualify, just the way it works
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    agree, whatever process they use to deny any other candidate is the one they would have to use

    Trying to find an example of someone denied in the past, anyone know of any
     
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    The thing is, the only way to save “Our Democracy™” is to make sure we can keep opposition candidates off the ballot.
     
  7. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Let's see, Trump is over 35 years of age, he's been a resident of The United States for more than 14 years and is a natural born.

    How is he not qualified?
     
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    No. It will be decided by the Constitution. The Constitution only sets 3 criteria for president and the State cannot impose more: 'Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486; Term Limits, 514 U.S. 779) establish that neither Congress nor the States can require additional qualifications of federal candidates beyond those listed in the Constitution.'

    14A section 3 does not apply to the president.

    https://reason.com/volokh/2021/01/2...ses-of-section-3-of-the-fourteenth-amendment/
    Biden did engage in an conspiracy of insurrection when he and Obama both hatched the plan to try to drive Trump from office using Hillary's Dossier that the CIA warned them was nothing more than Hillary purchased disinformation. 14A Sec 3 DOES apply to former members of Congress, which applies to Bribed Biden and St Barak.

    If they try to block Trump from the ballot, the Trump campaign will haul their asses into Court and the Court will instruct them to put the matter of Trump, before the voters.

    It's weird how too many Leftists seem to think that they should decide elections, not The People.
     
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    I don't believe trump or biden will be on the 2024 ballot so the question is probably moot.

    Democrats ought to welcome trump to the ballot. If, that is, they can find someone to run besides biden.
    A tuns sandwich can beat biden.
     
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    Wow.

    a legal scholar you are not

    I had to chuckle reading that you see the left attempting to stop the people from deciding the election

    had the people been allowed to choose. The last republican president would have been big bush

    little bush and trump both lost the popular vote by millions of votes yet were still declared the winner

    in your mind any democrat that wins an election must have rigged the election

    but I will let you in on a secret

    there are more democrats that wil but for Biden than there are republican voters that will vote for trump

    millions of republicans will NOT vote for trump

    every democrat will vote for biden
     
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    The U.S. Constitution does not actually say anything about statewide public elections for President.
    As far as the U.S. is concerned, it is a state's rights issue.
    I suspect the proposal may be in violation of state law, however. And it is certainly a despicable dirty tactic, which even some Democrat voters might be willing to recognize as reprehensible.

    New Hampshire is one the "swing states" (likely chance of going in either direction) so that is why they are targeting it.

    New Hampshire did go to Hillary rather than Trump during the 2016 election, so who knows how much of a chance Trump really would have in the state again anyway.
    I'm thinking the Democrats must be really worried about the unpopularity of Biden if they are seriously thinking about doing this in New Hampshire.
     
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    Gee, the Right is trying to keep folks off the ballot? Are you sure?
    Clearly you're not a constitutional scholar, the popular vote is not the presidential electorate.
    The FBI/CIA lied about Hunter's laptop that details the Biden Crime Family's selling of Joe's office, to rig the election.
     
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    can you get anything right??

    the democrats WANT trump on the ballot...biden beat him by 8 million votes in 2020

    this is before trump was indicted,,trump cannot win,,,he has NO PRAYER

    Biden does not even have to campaign to spank trump again

    just like last election trump will beat himself

    and besides... trump is not being indicted in the middle of his campaign.

    trump is campaigning in the middle of his indictment.

    please show us where hunter Biden is running for office.

    the laptop story is a HUGE nothing burger

    if the laptop belonged to trump he would have gotten a boost .. by the dick pics alone

    it amazes me guys think dick pics on a laptop matter in an election

    if the laptop mattered or had information that was important it would have been proven by now..

    Marjori Taylor shitforbrains Green had access to the laptop and exposed hunter biden dickpics on the house floor

    if she had other damning evidence she would have exposed it the same as the dickpics
     
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    It won't happen.
     
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    SCOTUS, if they even take this case up, is 6 to 3 "conservatives", what's your fear with this constitutional issue being adjudicated? Is this not the proper way to deal with these issues and circumstances, in a court of law vs. say, attacking the US Capitol?
     
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    Correct, a state can choose its electors by whatever method they wish.

    "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress"
     
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    Of all the posters on the conservative side no one turns the facts on their head like you do. Scanlan is researching a constitutional remedy for having the name of an insurrectionist removed from the ballot. Trump was involved in an illegal plot to overturn an election. Did that help?
     
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    I you believe so perhaps you should organized a movement to amend the Constitution. Because Clause 3 of the 14th A is unambiguous in its language. Good luck with such an amendment allowing traitors to run for federal office.
     
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    Asked and answered. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
     
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    Which did Trump engage in, insurrection or rebellion?
     
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    The Heritage Foundation Conservatives have concluded that 14A section 3 does apply to your Traitor-in-Chief.
     
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    I think that the fear of Trump and a greater America has been promoted and nourished by certain elements of the left , and has reached the level of an infectious disease, which
    impairs the minds of people whose character is weak enough to be infected by it.

    Attempting to keep him off the ballot reflects the fear that he will win, be the choice of the voters. Not much you could do that is more clearly an attempt to rig an election than that.

    The people in that mental state carry the responsibility for allowing it, but the people promoting the hate schemes are the prime evils, and without question the true anti-Americans.
     
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    Just my two cents worth..

    Did he mention that "he’s received several letters lately that urge him NOT to take action based on a legal theory".... So taking action on a theory now is our standard?

    As "Write In" is an option New Hampshire. Would it be a hoot if they left Trump off the ballots but the public has grown so tired of this crap that they elect him by write in votes.

    "An individual can run as a write-in candidate."
    https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_candidates_in_New_Hampshire
     
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    Please prove he engaged in either one..
     
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    I'm not saying he did either. I'm asking @Lee Atwater
     
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