New poll: Majority of Americans oppose Supreme Court ruling on abortion

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    More hyperbole to prove you're not engaging in hyperbole doesn't save you.
     
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    For those in need, better stock up on condoms now before they are unavailable!
     
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    If I were a woman wanting body autonomy I would insist on my male sexual partners show proof of a vasectomy before they had sex with me. :)
     
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    I don't need to be saved, but Gee thanks anyway, Mr. Above It All.
     
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    Good test.

    June 24 when the decision came out the RCP generic ballot was GOP +2.6.
    Today it's GOP +2.5

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

    538 has the House Races:

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    https://www.270towin.com/2022-house-election/fivethirtyeight-2022-house-forecast
     
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    You should study more if you think the SCOTUS overturning RvW brings us back to the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages were hella worse.
     
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    You forgot that they also mentioned the Right to Life.
     
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    Right to privacy =/= right to take a life.
     
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    With your logic then you're perfectly fine with serial killers because no one has the right to force someone to believe the moral position of killing is bad.
     
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    Right to Privacy does not protect anyone that kills another human life.

    Science shows that a ZEF is 100% human and Biology says its a life. Scientific Facts. No emotion, or religious argument need be made.

    Got a link proving that they are? Or is it just rhetoric from pro-choicers claiming that they are?
     
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    They should be removed from social interaction and tried under the law, but no one has the right to do to them whether they did to others...take his life.
    The state then becomes a serial killer.
     
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    I take that to mean for everyone.
    The good, the bad, the born and the unborn.
    It is when the state starts to make exceptions that you get pretzel thinking.
     
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    So women that have an abortion should be removed from social interaction and tried under the law for taking a human life? Again, its your logic here....
     
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    So you're in agreement with RvW being overturned and States banning abortion?
     
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    This is what the SCOTUS hints at.
    And what some states have established.
     
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    Indeed not.
    I am fiercely against the protection of the unborn non-conscious half human but the prévention of wholly adult people from dying if it is their wish. The right wants life for the unborn but seems by the repliés here to support death by choice. And by non-choice.if you happen to be in the vacinity of à gun.
    The value of life to the right is inconsistent.
    And since they say life is a gift from God, any action to remove à life is contrary to Gods will.
    IOW à sin
     
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    Half human? Its fully human per DNA analysis. No one supports letting the mother die to protect the baby, unless that is her choice, and such is only determined at the time of labor, when even you can't argue that its a "half human".

    And yes, its perfectly fine for people to choose their own death. They cannot choose it for others except to defend their own lives. Babies don't have that ability so others must protect them from such. You equating guns here is a non-sequitor because the situations are completely different. Not to mention there are a million and one objects that can be used to kill also.
     
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    Oh, are polls suddenly not fake again? It's hard to keep up.

    Anyway, back to the thread topic (abortion and the radical RINOs):

    Matt Gaetz: Women Who 'Look Like A Thumb' Shouldn't Gripe About Abortion Rights
    Mary Papenfuss
    Sat, July 23, 2022 at 8:23 PM

    Unattractive women who “look like a thumb” shouldn’t complain about losing abortion rights because they’re the “least” likely to get pregnant, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said in a jaw-dropping speech to college students at a conservative conference in Florida on Saturday.

    “Have you watched these pro-abortion, pro-murder rallies?” Gaetz asked the crowd at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa. “The people are just disgusting. Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions?”

    Video of the speech has received at least one million views on Twitter.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/matt-gaetz-women-look-thumb-012346149.html

    Pederasts who look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit ever branch on the way down shouldn't be making fun of other people's appearance.
     
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    You are free to view them as fake if you wish. The GOP tends to overperform the polls, but, if you prefer to look at this another way, what's that to me?
     
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    No, the right to privacy is exactly what the 4th Amendment says it is. Your view on this issue is emotional because you believe that a fetus is a baby, an unborn child. Perhaps your religious beliefs force you to conclude that a "soul" is assigned to each fetus at conception. You aren't thinking about it logically. The government has no right to even the knowledge of a woman's pregnancy, much less any decision she makes regarding her health, her condition. Just as they have no right to know your medical history, even if it involves a vasectomy, which is a type of contraception.

    Beware the slippery slope.
     
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    Oh ffs.

    It is NOT a person until it can live and breathe on it's own. Only then does the government issue it a Social Security number.

    Here's the link you requested.

    https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/resear...me-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control
     
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    I don't follow any religion. Funny how I always have to state that. The left thinks that is the only possible reason to object to abortion. My argument has nothing to do with "souls" or any other spiritual idiocy. It's based on scientific facts and the Right to Life that is afforded to all humans in this country.

    Fact: DNA proves that a ZEF is human.
    Fact: Biological science proves that a ZEF is a life.
    Fact: In this country everyone has a Right to Life until they do something to get that Right stripped from them through a criminal court proceeding.

    Any of that sound "spiritual" or "emotional"? Can you dispute any of those facts?
     
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    Oh cut the crap. Are you really incapable of understanding the argument.

    The notion that a few cells are a person is a faith argument that has no place in the law. Scientifically it is irrational. For much of the development, the fetus doesn't even have a brain. And when the brain stops functioning we declare people to be dead. So you are claiming dead people have rights.

    Keep it in church where it belongs.
     
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    Here, we see that at the end of the second trimester, the fetus has a brain on par with that of a lizard. Do lizards have rights?

    The part of the brain that makes us a person develops well into the third trimester.

    https://flo.health/pregnancy/pregnancy-health/fetal-development/fetal-brain-development#:~:text=The brain begins with the,brain, midbrain, and hindbrain.

    So recognize your argument for what it is: You have decided based on your claimed faith that a fertilzed cell is a person. There is nothing scientific about it. There is nothing logical about it. And there is nothing rational about it. It is based on a magic story you read. And you are willing to force your chosen beliefs on everyone else and then look for some excuse to justify it.


    Oh yes, and making abortions illegals does not have a significant impact on the number of abortions that occur.
     
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    You have to wonder how this is going to affect the demographics in red states. How many women want to take a chance of getting pregnant in a red state now? Already women are being forced to leave the state if they need an abortion, even a 10 yo rape victim, and even then they aren't safe from persecution or prosecution. Another woman in Texas was forced to carry a dead fetus around for two weeks because of the new laws. She is planning to leave Texas before taking a chance on getting pregnant again.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/20/abortion-miscarriage-texas-fetus-stell/

    Stories like that are going to really entice the young ladies.

    I guess us Blue States should expect more sexually active women to move here. Oh darn.
     
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