New simulations suggest we may be able to reopen almost everything. But only IF...

~ The U.S. business world will open up again - permanently - regardless. We are not going through this nonsense again. Those at high risk will take the necessary precautions and the rest of us will help them. Retail stores and shops will do what is needed for safety. Offices and manufacturers will do the same. In many areas this has already started.
Some folks will choose to stay isolated cowering in fear watching The View and CNN . That will be their choice. Likely neighbors, friends and family will assist them. That's what Americans do .

~ Join the club .

 

Lol at “the rest of us will help them”.

How many on this thread alone are griping about the THOUGHT of wearing a mask

 

oh, get over yourself. it will never be over. this too shall pass, but there will be another behind it and another after that. we are constantly engineering more and more potent bugs, whether in labs like the one in china or simply through the overuse of the various and sundry medications we have become addicted to, and each of these bugs is a predator. we may be near at the top of the heap as far as hunters go, but even an apex predator can be brought down by a critter too small to even see. quite simply, we have never been safe and it's about time y'all grew up and got used to that fact. we can either go on with our lives knowing this or we can hide ourselves away and just slowly fade from existence.

 

And when it is you or one of yours are you going to insist everything be done or are you going to pull the plug?

 

wow, this is completely out of left field and has absolutely nothing to do with my post, but i'll answer it anyway. for me, the paperwork is already in. i don't use doctors any more and will gladly abandon this life if this is what is in store. last year i picked up a particularly nasty bug. i spent a month and a half wondering if it was finally time, sometimes going to bed nearly unable to breath and figuring that i'd probably wake up dead. i was resigned and waited and this old body prevailed. next time i may not be so lucky, but all good (and bad) things must come to an end. as for family... as long as there was reasonable hope of recovery, i would bring my considerable resources to bear and continue to hope. would i force others to aid? only through the passive force of my bankroll. would i hope beyond hope? no, even the young and helpless are vulnerable to the vagaries of life and the dying suffer too much to prolong their agony. though i would despise my self for my failure, i would recognize the inevitability. this is a decision i've already had to make and one i hope you never have to.

 

~ People can become addicted to almost anything. Some of us are addicted to misery.
Go figure ...

 

that cannot be proven nor can the claims of masking up and staying home be proven, or disproven

You tip your hand when you go on a rant about Trump.

THe virus is apolitical but folks like you want to use it for politics.

 

you've no clue, nor does anyone as to the number of infected. I suspect that it's a high number and the mortality rate is quite low

 

You're still pretty likely. Corvid remains an often and unpredictably very dangerous disease for everyone. It is a quite agonizing way to die if it goes to the fatal extent and there is still NO real treatment for it.

Are you that anxious to even just possibly KILL someone, all because you find the mask a slight inconvenience? With all due respect, this begs the question; WTF is WRONG with you people?

 

So?

 

You're still pretty likely. Corvid remains an often and unpredictably very dangerous disease for everyone. It is a quite agonizing way to die if it goes to the fatal extent and there is still NO real treatment for it.

Are you that anxious to even just possibly KILL someone, all because you find the mask a slight inconvenience? With all due respect, this begs the question; WTF is WRONG with you people?

 

That's a very brave attitude but I find it foolish. I have only one reply if death comes calling; "not today"

 

correct, dying from pneumonia, basically drowning in your own fluid is horrible. Much like those who die from the flu each year.

Covid isn't some new type of death. It's a virus that in a few, certain people, morphs into viral pneumonia. Most survive, some don't; again, like the flu

 

Covid19 is NOT similar to the flu otherwise the treatments we have for the flu and pneumonia would be effective.

 

oh good grief. It behaves just like it in certain few people. It results in viral pneumonia, just like the flu does in certain people.

Flu shots are not the cure-all nor is tamiflu for the flu. People die each year from it despite "having treatments"

don't let yourself get fat
take vitamins
exercise
drink water
practice good hygiene
wash your hands
and don't rub your eyes unless you've washed your hands

Diabetes is a comorbidity. How do you think the majority of diabetics or those with heart conditions get that way?

masking up and trying to get a Democrat in office isn't the solution. Covid is apolitical but has become weaponized by the left.

 

false sense of security for sure. A mask only protects others from the wearer - if one is infected and doesn't know it - when you socialize with others in smaller groups you will not wear the mask - and the virus will continue to spread through this and other means.

 

Errr no it doesn’t

And we do have treatments for influenza - eg TAMIFLU although the effectiveness for that has been challenged

What we are finding is that this is NOT a true pneumonia but (simplified patho here) an attack on blood vessel walls that leads to micro clots and other damage

We are still unpacking what this disease does do

 

True

I think this is the best explanation for those who do not get it

 

It is a typical right wing trait that they can't see anything beyond their immediate surroundings. In my extended family the number of dead from the seasonal flu compared to Covid 19 is infinite. One great uncle on my fathers side about 35 years ago, vs nobody by Covid 19 so far.

As a matter of fact, the number of people in my family or circle of friends who have died of AIDS is the same as those who have died of Coronavirus. ZERO. Using your "logic" it would mean that the chances of dying of Covid 19 are equivalent to dying of AIDS

Well... that's the point of this thread. If you live in a farm in the middle of nowhere, surrounded only by farm animals, you don't need to wear a mask. Unless you visit an urban area. A mask is necessary in places where others can infect you, and you can infect others. I don't wear a mask at home. I don't anybody does.

Wrong! The solution is the same everywhere: vaccination. But, since we don't have a vaccine, the idea is to stay alive long enough that they develop one. The strategy to stay alive might vary a bit. But there is one everybody could adopt: wearing a mask. Maybe there are others... I don't know. But this one is easy, cheap and effective.

i realize you feel the need to be calmed every step of your life in which there is a crisis. But those of us who take responsibility for ourselves simply need to know the facts so we can make our own decisions. Trump hid the facts from us. He hid the facts from businesses and people in power who needed to prepare their states. The result: the worst response to the pandemic of any industrialized nation in the world, thousands of lives lost that could have been saved, and an economic disaster that will take the next Democratic administration years to solve... again!

 

I wonder if she will be signing a waiver to attend a Trump rally?

 

Did you even bother to read the OP before responding to the thread?

No? That's what I thought.... I guess you just listened to this great Fox echo-chamber talking point which you just couldn't wait to put out there, and reading what you were responding to would have just.... slowed you down... right?

 

Proven to do... what? You should try writing complete sentences.

Wearing a masks and staying at home except when leaving is not necessary has been proven to stop the spread. Wearing masks when you do have to go outside has been proven to reduce the number of infected. Whether or not if everybody wore a mask that would be equivalent to staying at home has not yet been "proven", but there are simulations that strongly suggest that this might be the case.

So if you want to reopen the economy and stop the increasing number of infected and dead, the answer is simple: wear a mask!

What is controversial about this? Trump loyalists have been accusing Democrats of trying to undermine the economy to make Trump look bad. Well... here's the solution. You can open the economy, and not kill people by simply wearing masks

And, so far, there has not been a single argument against this on this whole thread.

So I again ask: what have I said here that would be controversial?

 

So??

Am I not supposed to worry about dying because it's "only" viral pneumonia that's killing me?

One REAL difference between Corvid and flu is that Corvid is MUCH more contagious.