New simulations suggest we may be able to reopen almost everything. But only IF...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is evidence that organizers are aware of the risk they are putting people in. So they may be legally covered from those who assist to the rally. But what about those that are infected by assistants to the rally? They didn't sign anything. I'm just wondering...
     
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    Wrong. I means they are protecting themselves from liability just like dentists, repairmen, and other service industries all over the country have been doing since this hoax began. Thank your slimeball lawyer.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Funny that somebody believes that the repairman I called last week to fix my refrigerator would be liable if members of my family infected each other. But what else can you expect from somebody who believes that over 110 thousand dead reported is a hoax,
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny that someone could be unaware of all the potential legal ramifications involved with this hoax. Let me know what you are required to sign as you make routinv medical care visits and yes, smart service repair companies require a liability release. Maybe your Bubba does not.
     
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    Complete and utter NONSENSE!

    If anyone is attempting to "weaponize" the apolitical virus it is the Racist-in-Chief!
     
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    Another way to explain it is that men do not wear condoms to protect themselves from becoming pregnant. ;)
     
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    That's interesting. If the cities hosting the rallies have clearly definable upticks in the infections and the RNC can be proven to have known that would happen ( and how could they not?) could it be the basis of a class-action suit against the Republican Party? No sovereign immunity there, the Republican Party, all reality aside, is still technically a private enterprise entity.

    Oh, that could be sweet. Sue the ****ers right out of business.
     
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    Computer simulations are based on the reality we have already observed. Given that you have enough data points they prove something just about as well as it can be proven without actually observing the thing itself. Indeed, it can be argued that actuality introduces factors unique to the particular situation which normally would not apply.

    Trump has promoted this virus so well that it is indubitably HIS. He likes to brand things so much, this is Trump's Plague. (Trumpaphitis? Jerkwad's Syndrome?)
     
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    And some conservatives have been known not to wear condoms, even when advocating for laws that jail a girl for having an abortion.
     
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    Could attachment 116364 explain the smell that sometimes persists after Trump rallies? :p
     
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    Except that to arttend they have to sign a waiver
     
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    Not the attendees, the cities surrounding. Class Action on their behalf. Each rally creates a hotspot and the infections spread from there. Conventions and rallies are notorious for bringing epidemics as well as big paydays for hookers

    Or am I embarrassing myself by not understanding what a class action is?
     
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    Just the opposite, their "president" is actively discouraging the use of masks.
     
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    It is safe but you have to promise not to sue trump! Too damn funny!!!
     
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    Gawd I'm listeing to him speak at West Point. The man is soooooooo repulsive and shallow!!! Jezuz.

    He reads his script like he died before he got on stage.
     
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    I saw an excellent post on FB about the dangers posed to an individual when they wear a mask that is medically proven, such as the bodies inability to release toxins that are released when you exhale unobstructed. I’ll try to track it down but it’s a good wake up call for anyone who thinks mask wearing is mandatory.
     
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    Trump's guidance is to say we should shut down in one form of media, say we should open up on another

    say we should wear a mask, but it's optional, and he won't wear one

    basically Trump is afraid to make an actual decision, so he just tells each group he speaks to what he thinks they want to hear

    he does this, so in the future, what ever the right decision was, he can claim he said to do it
     
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    The idea that we can live in a sterile society is flawed - or rather that the harm from living in such conditions would not be worse than the threat.

    The volcano has erupted - and the ash fallout has caused some damage - the economic Tsunami has yet to hit. This link states that for every 1 % increase in the unemployment rate 40,000 deaths - and this is in normal times .. the hardship cause by the economic Tsunami will have much further reaching effects on health - both mental and physical.
     
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    Wouldn’t you admit we are getting a bit melodramatic here? To assume if I don’t wear a mask, that means I will kill someone?

    WTF is wrong with us? We just want our god given, Constitutional rights to not be infringed. The right to worship and assemble is clearly defined, and our Founding Fathers would object to what governors have done in this country. Yes, there will be a spike in cases as we reopen in the fall and winter flu season, that’s a given. As I said before, we need to give this to Mother Nature, not the government, to handle.
     
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    They must be smelling something... or they wouldn't bother making assistants agree to this.
     
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    I’m concerned what will happen if it gets worse and there are suddenly foreclosures all over the place, let alone a massive, permanent closure of small businesses that is already taking place. I predict we will see ghost towns—not because people aren’t going out, but because there will be empty buildings everywhere. I’d love to be wrong, but that’s the direction we are heading in.

    Lessons weren’t learned from the scares in 2006 and 2008, and it’s showing.
     
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    Nature will end up taking its course, it has with viruses in the past and it’s not going to be any different now. There’s a certain amount of harm done to the body when it can’t properly dispose of the toxins we naturally exhale when we wear a mask, among other things. We aren’t insane simply because we realize the totality of the situation we have been dealt with. In a perfect world, everyone would be saved from the virus. But nature doesn’t work like that. And quite frankly, I among others have become sick of this “blood on your hands” talk.
     
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    #1 There are no "god given...rights", period!

    #2 Individual Constitutional Rights do NOT override Public Safety!

    To put this in simple terms yes, you do have an individual constitutional right to OWN a firearm but you do NOT have any rights whatsoever to randomly discharge your firearm in public where it could cause harm to others.

    In essence you wearing a mask in public protects others from you accidentally infecting them with the virus.

    Wearing a mask does NOT infringe an of your individual constitutional rights because there is NO "right" that enables you to cause harm to others.
     
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    He moved the convention because he disagreed with the fact that they would follow the guidelines of his own CDC. Good for North Carolina. But he's bringing it to Florida where the governor is his lapdog and more concerned about his own political advancement than he is for the life of the people. Exactly what Trump requires of his minions: loyalty regardless of human life.
     
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    The 2008 crash was part of a much bigger cycle (or "wave" ) - in keeping with the decline of a major economic empire and the cycle of debt and default.

    If you are riding in your new car - and hit a pothole - the car will likely survive. A junker on the other hand and you may not be so lucky.

    Consumer and corporate debt are at all time highs - prior to corona virus the manufacturing index had been in the red for many months - many individuals and small business owners living paycheck to paycheck - and this was not your average pothole.

    Restaurants - Retail - Tourism in general - airlines - cruse ships and so on (and all the revenue that streams into various economies due to travel and tourism) Hotels .. and so on.

    Consumer spending is what drives the economy - and consumer spending has gone into the dump - and we seem to be nowhere near returning to "normal".
     

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