New world most have a Religion? if yes,so what Religion?

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  1. roxibarare

    roxibarare New Member

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    Hi every one...
    I have many questions about who controlling the world?
    and what's happens in future?
    my question start when two tower fall... because after that I see something Strange in hand of one of my friend...
    at that Time I have Microsoft word 97, one day he come to our house and said to me I have a code that is very fun. He said you know what is the name of that plan. I said: no why :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: the name was Q33NY
    then he change the font to Wingdings 2132.jpg


    after that i think something. If I do that dirty work I should have sign on it to prove my power.... so which sign better than this.

    I search it again after a few years, i found something else some numbers are Holly Number in Jewish( 9 , 11 , 13,33 , 72 )
    9=9 Masons Temple Druid that bring back Hiram Druid to life
    11= Columns of the Temple of Solomon [​IMG]
    so this must be another sign
    (I think 911 the emergency call is something like that mean Masons Temple in Solomon land can help you)

    after that I found some thing else with origami(but this pictures is Not mine) . see:
    11.jpg
    12.jpg

    for me these are so Strange. because if 1 thing I said it is a Random happened ... can any one tell me why?
    why Jewish?
     
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    Because that's what you want to see.
     
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    no who.............. just life. ie..... conscious life, (you, I, mankind) control the civilized outcome of this world.

    Nature rules it all (nature being the god of existence)

    mankind makes the difference

    many prophecies share the towers falling

    a sign, per se, of the end times.

    but the ability to see of the future is of entanglement (property of light)
    ie... have you ever had de ja vu?

    the 'name' is not just a guestimation but the description of how mass, energy, time operate (we live within existence and to comprehend 'how it works' names existence (the name of god))
    So lets' try a grounding basis:

    the four colors of mankind; red, yellow, black, white (the four horseman; mankind itself)

    Now i know that for equality to exist, all of mankind must be enabled. To keep one side from ever believing itself better than another, than all four must be enabled equally. So to require 3 from each, there are the 12 (tribes) and a footwasher (the 13th).

    Then the house of knowledge (shamballa, zion...whatever you want to call it) can be opened based on the last word (name) (math defining how the 3 work (mass, energy, time; trinity))


    why is the speculative inquiry.

    but you are of good, as you are actually just that capable of giving for life (the future) and maybe on the verge of realizing it.

    ie... the chosen ones

    be certain, many are just 'that' good but also keep the other pole in operative, many are just that selfish too.

    It is kind of like me, i know what i bring, i also know what i destroy in bringing it.

    My choice is life (the future) and could care less about anything else.
     
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    may be yes may be not.
    so I think so at first but something else light up my questions?
    u have 1$ yes? Why this design lasted more than 6 years?
    I think if I want to design a bill on one side of it I design a building that show our power or our art or our one thing that so famous which be our honor.
    what is this building?[​IMG]
    are people of America was Egyptian.
     
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    I'm not accusing anyone.
    you are so good bishadi for answer.
    can you explain for me what is the most religion of American people. I think Christianity. so why on Us 1$ and other... have symbols of Freemason?
    like these pics
    play boy rabbit whit left eye side:
    [​IMG]

    a Owl in 1$ and government departments in DC.
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    and can any one count Leaf and Olives on 1$?
     
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    the three religions of abraham are from egyptian foundations.

    ie... moses was born in egypt (per torah), raised in the pharoahs house and thereby had the access to the libraries of egyptian knowledge.

    I find moses and all that knowledge and lineage is of egyptian foundations.

    it is why i believe they used idea of a guy on a thrown, as god (pharoahs were considered living gods over seeing)

    but the fact is, mankind writes the 'words' not the gods as many believe in.

    the gabby angel of muhammed didnt write a word nor did muhammed; people did.

    and just like you and i can combine knowledge, so did he (both moses and muhammed...)

    Jesus just learned and like the utter two, just described

    Jesus was not that 'last word' and both judaism and islam share such not to mention within the bible, 'it' shares the same (ie... revelation (unveiling) to come)

    Now that picture on the bill.... the 'eye' (what is the eye of horus?) as well the pyramid........!?!?

    try my analogy; knowledge evolves (even recognize how 'torah, to bible, to quran'............. Likewise, from a flat earth, to a round one, to alchemy to relativity......... EVEN you, are evolving from knowledge.

    ie.... the pyramid shares that bricks laid down support the growth of the whole. None greater than any other except to achieve the focal totality of the equally faced ONE (the pyramid itself)

    Then as knowledge is evolving, what would be the pinnacle?

    Existence comprehending itself (capable of seeing itself and knowing what it is and capable of; creating life by choice (with us (mankind); conscious life)


    We are HIM (existence/god) defining itself.

    We are the 'eyes' (consciously aware) of god (mother nature itself).
     
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    In my opinion, Religion should be used for goodness and not badness whenever possible. Any religion used for the general goodness or general welfare should also be conducive to the general prosperity of the body politic and repository of the temporal vessels of our immortal souls.

    Nurture must conform to Nature and its natural laws. If the Nurture of Religion is deemed a necessity by any republican form of government, then, in my opinion, Creationism based on the Greco-Roman religions of antiquity may be more beneficial because they are adaptable to modern times. Absolute forms of subjective moral values may not transition as well without sufficient object orientation as is the case with some Iron Age religious morals and subjective values which are better suited their Age than modern times.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with trying to be holy and moral, as a way of life, simply for the greater glory of our immortal souls.

    In what manner are the religions of today adequate to the task of engendering a moral tradition and culture of respect toward the subjective moral values of Religion. A common law system of jurisprudence is no substitute for a religious indoctrination. Should it not be a task of the religious, to engender any morals deemed to be for the public good even if arising from the subjective values of a religion. Our federal form of government proscribes the secular and temporal use of the police power to infringe upon individual and private matters of Religion.

    If Religion should "police" itself, creating a respect for the rule-of-religion could be as desirable as engendering a respect for the rule-of-law; but with the goal being an attainment to the greater glory of our immortal souls instead of merely the domestic tranquility and security of a free State.
     
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    because the masons know knowledge is the key.

    just like the egyptians did and many others.

    ie.... the anhk of egypt (the key of life)


    To me; light (electromagnetism; electric and magnetic field in perpendicular planes (the cross). The loop is time.

    Then see the sciences; mass is just energy affixed in time (E=mc2) then fission/fussion............ split and atom and energy (light) is released


    comprehending how that works is the 'key' to existence as all that is is based on the interrelation of the 3 (mass energy, time; the trinity)


    ie... mass; corporeal

    energy (light); the spirit (of all mass; bohr)

    time: the transcendent (beginning/ending)


    the three operate in an inclusive process. defining that process with the universal language (math) and all can understand, equally

    bringing that to words is what i do for a living.

    that math is what i alone have held for over three decades and have been learning to understand what it all means.


    but i can get theological too.

    ie.... you and all life is of carbon. Carbon-12 is the most abundant isotope. chemically speaking it is of 6 electron, 6 neutrons and 6 protons (all life is based on 666.

    likewise today is my birth day (born 6-28-1966) or clearly 6/66 (month year)

    when you read me posting, i aint joking!

    You are in THAT time and this is real. ie... to know 'truth' then all can know is real


    it aint some place, it is 'reality'
     
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    Just because the Congress has a Senate and the pomp of a Roman Senate standard carried into it does not make us Roman anymore than having a pyramid on a dollar makes us Egyptian.

    The New World has no religion:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
    http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights#amendmenti

    We have States, and States have different amendments like that, but not exactly like it depending upon the State:

    "SECTION 3. Religious freedom.—There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution."

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...tatutes&CFID=209253847&CFTOKEN=64286818#A1S03

    "Article 3rd. Freedom in religion; right and duty of religious worship (notes)

    That all persons have a natural and unalienable right, to worship Almighty God, according to the dictates of their own consciences and understandings, as in their opinion shall be regulated by the word of God; and that no person ought to, or of right can be compelled to attend any religious worship, or erect or support any place of worship, or maintain any minister, contrary to the dictates of conscience, nor can any person be justly deprived or abridged of any civil right as a citizen, on account of religious sentiments, or peculiar mode of religious worship; and that no authority can, or ought to be vested in, or assumed by, any power whatever, that shall in any case interfere with, or in any manner control the rights of conscience, in the free exercise of religious worship. Nevertheless, every sect or denomination of Christians ought to observe the sabbath or Lord's day, and keep up some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God." http://www.usconstitution.net/vtconst.html#Article3"


    " Article I, Section 4. [Religious liberty.]
    The rights of conscience shall never be infringed. The State shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office of public trust or for any vote at any election; nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror on account of religious belief or the absence thereof. There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions. No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise or instruction, or for the support of any ecclesiastical establishment." http://le.utah.gov/~code/const/htm/00I01_000400.htm

    Most State amendments have statements like the Florida one above:

    "Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety."

    So if a false prophet orders someone to pray toward an Idol one day and to change direction and pray toward another one the next, that would be considered inconsistent with peace and therefore illegal orders.

    The principle our Federal government is based upon is "consent of the governed," which you can find in our Declaration of Independence:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html

    So there is no book or orders to pray given to the States, no mandatory religion.
     
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    and No tax dollars should be going to ANY religious state.


    How many have heard of a bigot state called ISRAEL?


    ie...... our congress should have pulled the plug as soon as they claimed to be a religious state......period!



    finally DC did something for a thread (and the people)
     
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    I agree with you on that first line. As for the second line.... viewing from a different perspective... How many have heard of a bigot state called United States?

    That same Congress you speak about,,,, opens each session with a PRAYER to some deity. So Yes! Pull the plug on taxation as it is being used by a state that practices some form of religion at the beginning of each session.

    Also, Congress needs to ban the use of and destroy any remaining US Bills (Federal Reserve Notes, and the like) and all US coins that have the word God printed on or stamped upon it/them.

    http://chaplain.house.gov/

    "Opening Prayer
    06/28/2011
    Reverend Patrick J. Conroy, S.J.

    Eternal God, we give you thanks for giving us another day.

    We ask today that you bless the Members of the People’s House as they visit their home districts. May they listen and interact constructively and safely with those whom they represent.

    Bless also their families in the time they have together at home, so that when they return they are rested and energized to take on the important work that faces them concerning our economy and national security in today’s world.

    Bless their constituents as well. Help them to understand fully the issues facing their representatives, and with generous hearts empower the Members of this House to consider not only the interests of the local district, but those of the nation and the world, which looks to our great democracy as a beacon of hope. May we, as a nation, be worthy of the hope placed in us.

    May all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory.

    AMEN"
     
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    Ten bucks he is not from Iran.
     
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    Hi thank you all. I'm Surprised.
    I'm so Busy and I can't read all of your posts. forgive me.
    you remember I told you 9 , 11 , 13 , 33 , 72.
    I'm googling and found some thing else on 1$ bill. the picture say. but at first I'm not thinking of illumination...
    275632-think_masonic_simbols_back_1_dollar_bill.jpg
    any one can explain this for me.


    I have a research in Islam about of Satan's Symbols in this religion.
    I found something that surprising me.
    495650_12thramyejamareh.jpg
    you see this... do you remember any thing.
    22afa.jpg
    this building created in 1400 years ago.(now this building change to Arc: it means they are throw stones to themselves)
    in Christianity this was Satanism symbol until 17 or 18 century that a building like up created in Vatican... can any one answer to me: symbols in Christianity changed or some thing else happened there?
     
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    excuse me...
    I found some thing else but I can't download that to show you and that is new 5 dollars bill which Will be published in 2012. if anyone can see that pls upload that.

    In other research on Islam I found that they have more than 100 sects. one of them believed on promised day, a day that Jesus Christ will rise but behind their Imam and they will clean up all the miss on the earth.
    and for these happens they believe in 1275 Signs. they are thinking 1270 of the signs happened until know. and and and and...
    but one thing that very surprising me this Sect is called "Shie asna ashari" it means shies with 12 Imam and their 12th Imam is still alive but no one can't know him until the promised day.... you know one of the promised day sign is rising up a group that their leader has signs in his body.
    The sign:when one man ask of this man sign they called(Dajal) from their first Imam in 1400 years ago a man who never travel to Egypt, He answer this(this words is hard to translate to English because it's Arabic and This has proven to old words with some researcher in all world):

    He said: Dajal Has no right eye and the other eye is in his Forehead and his eye like the morning star (Venus) gives light.

    can any one tell me where is Satan in Satanism? Venus
    pyramid eye
    can any one told me how it is possible.
     
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    Matt 16

    20 Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ.


    some forget that jesus aint 'the christ'

    hence has to 'return' to even qualify and we all know that aint happening (dust to dust is the true path of the body)
    good morning, today is a day
    like a star and a 13 perhaps?

    darn it.

    and i had hopes to see the old archeology

    does-ya-all, know if that can be changed?
    seems lots of prophecies of 'the roaster'.............. (try to kill em, but dont die)

    'here comes the roaster'.........yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    oh well................bring it!

    knowledge does enable light to be understood

    and anyone here knows what time i rise to share, every morning!!!!!

    no such thing


    ie... each are just as capable of murder, evil and selfishness than any other, that has ever lived.

    any know charles manson?

    how about ted haggart?

    ever here (read about) a pedophile preacher?

    Just wait until you have to judge.

    what is possible?

    seeing of the future?

    i thought i posted that earlier. The property of light (electromagnetic; em) called entanglement is a part of nature. Its a real property of light that few understand but is real.

    And the two best methods of comprehending it are deja vu (all have experienced it) and even consciousness (precognition)

    but few comprehend it because that knowledge is still shinning off the head of the light guy, (who them old books be talkin about......).
     
  16. DivineComedy

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    You said: "I'm so Busy and I can't read all of your posts. forgive me."

    Then why should we read yours?



    ******

    Satan is the prince and principality of the air, he tried to blow away the dust that man was created from:

    "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2)

    "[38.74] But not Iblis: he was proud and he was one of the unbelievers.
    [38.75] He said: O Iblis! what prevented you that you should do obeisance to him whom I created with My two hands? Are you proud or are you of the exalted ones?
    [38.76] He said: I am better than he; Thou hast created me of fire, and him Thou didst create of dust.
    [38.77] He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away:
    [38.78] And surely My curse is on you to the day of judgment." http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=708759

    Man Satan
    ---- = -----
    Water Air

    Man is to water as Satan is to air.

    Here we see Satan controls the clouds, blows away man:

    "Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: 'But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)'; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

    Throw water on Satan if you want to put out the flames that the false prophet's god ordered to be or not to be:

    "To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

    ******

    Certainly the blood of innocents is shed when the lying and treacherous idolater puts on civilian clothes and shoves a salami bomb up its butt to blow up people. Satan now works in them making all mankind suspected as bombs, as if they had truely killed all mankind.

    "Many people would worship Satan" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_ad-Dajjal

    1) The analysis and the calculation; the minority and the increase in number:

    “The world focused its full attention on the analysis and follow up of the events of last September, but those who made an in-depth analysis may have not been the majority of the people. Nevertheless, it seems to us that they have, now, increased in number
    (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

    “Hundreds of people used to doubt you and few only would follow you until this huge event happened. Now hundreds of people are coming out to join you. I remember a vision by Shaykh Salih Al-((Shuaybi)). He said: “ will be a great hit and people will go out by hundreds to Afghanistan.” I asked him (Salih): “ Afghanistan?” He replied, “” According to him, the only ones who stay behind will be the mentally impotent and the liars (hypocrites). I remembered his saying that hundreds of people will go out to Afghanistan. He had this vision a year ago. This event discriminated between the different types of followers.UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.” http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ubl-video.html (December 13, 2001 TRANSCRIPT OF USAMA BIN LADEN VIDEO TAPE)

    2) The radical analysis and eliminating threats, the reaction to aggression/injustice:

    “One of the most important qualities of any leader is saving other from death not by marking the dark ditches on the road, but also by preventing those who do not see the marks from falling into the abyss. Then comes the quality of exaltation, or ascendancy of the people he is in charge of, along with their potential thought and action. The danger that may threaten any people or nation, does not call upon the people in charge to lead the way against this danger only, but also to analyze its reasons in view of abating them, or treating those reasons radically, to eliminate them so that they would never surge again.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

    3) “As we said before to those who launched aggressions on us, including the US, in and before Um-Almarik (the mother of the battles), the world, like Iraq and its Arab nation, needs steadfastness to face the aggression, make it miss its targets. It must not allow the US to be victorious. The victory of the US and its allies over Iraq would conceal the opposing attitude and [/b]analysis[/b], and would not allow it to emerge again for a long time.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

    Linking the attitude and analysis, with the injustice:

    1) {see above analysis for the first explanation of unjustice and injustice leading to a reaction, and the context, and understand what aggression is in Islam}

    2) “Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings. It is only normal to say that punishment is a necessity in our world, because what is a necessity in the other world must also be necessary in our world on Earth. But, the punishment in the other world is faire and just, and the prophets and messengers of God (peace be upon them all) conducted punishment and called for it in justice, and not on the basis of suspicions and whims.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

    3) “Once again, we say that, injustice and the pressure that results from it on people lead to explosions. As explosions are not always organized, it is to be expected that they may harm those who make them and others. The events of September 11, should be seen on this basis, and on the basis of imbalanced reactions, on the part of governments accused of being democratic, if the Americans are sure that these were carried out by people from abroad. To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)


    ******

    Instead of going off the deep end with symbols and signs looking for judgment day, judging people for symbols and signs the peasant has no idea what they mean, all trying to figure out what only God knows when it will happen, why not just be good?

    No shoving of bombs up ones butt, no blaming others for the starving children that the dictator's actions caused, no supporting dictators and those false prophets who ORDER people to pray this way and then that way?

    We just be good, have another Arab and Persian spring instead of just a summer bummer, does that sound good?

    No dictators, no slavery to symbols and signs of someone who is long since dead, just us in our time being good, not killing each other, does that sound good?
     
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    Technically since Israel is not a state within Florida our constitution does not apply for such foreign affairs, no matter how much a "liberal" wants to claim a terrorist has US constitutional protections and the privilege of habeas corpus.
     
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    There is nothing inherently wrong with trying to be holy and moral, as a way of life, simply for the greater glory of our immortal souls.

    In what manner are the religions of today adequate to the task of engendering a moral tradition and culture of respect toward the subjective moral values of Religion.

    A common law system of jurisprudence is no substitute for a religious indoctrination. What would you recommend a body politic with our form of federal government do, to engender a subjective moral value of respect for the rule of law if not rule of religion?
     
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    There is something wrong with trying to force morals, and a way of life, for the greater glory of the dictator's conquests.

    Since the laws of man were compared to a spiders web man has tried to argue an ethics outside of a strict indoctrination from God. Only a religion that does not fear words, that does not fear speech, that does not order one to pray perfectly or pay taxes (for war or charity...), can engender a moral tradition and culture of respect toward the subjective moral values of Religion.

    Jesus ate with the sinners, he instructed his followers to teach. He did not slay them if they did not follow orders and bow down this way (Jerusalem) and then that way (Black Stone Idol), and pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority.

    Ethics is sufficient at the Federal level, with enough States wanting to be free, to engender some respect; conflict happens when desires for a religion or lack thereof override logic, and people become stupid, and would deny other states the freedom they seek for themselves. Indoctrination that fails to teach ethics and logic, the ability to reason and accept new letters to the church, can create a mindless monster whose dogma rules and has no reasoning ability. The end result of failure to understand why we have States--guaranteed a republican form of government, to prevent a desire for dogma either "liberal" or "conservative" to get the ONE desire in all States--will result in a cycle of government which swings through all forms envisioned, from democracy to a tyranny of nine appointed for life philosopher kings, till no State is a sanctuary to the happy Pilgrims.

    Take for instance Gay marriage. Most people have their idea of what the penalty for abandoning the natural use of the body is, in the ancient laws and the letter to the Romans. If one comes to the conclusion that killing them all is not right, then what follows, marriage or a continuing threat of the spread of a fruit loop virus?

    Laws carved in stone better be logical for all time or the stones will fall; the mindless adherents of the illogical religious indoctrination have little choice but to lose all faith in the false prophet or go MAD talking to rocks and trees...

    Religion has to be careful what it teaches.
     
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    Hi
    I'm reading your post. first I want to say thanks to write these, but 1 point is here, and that is osama bin ladan is a dirty man in his kind, many of Muslims hate him, me too. I don't care what he said because he was a killer who Us government set him in Afghanistan. I don't ever to his face again ever in my dream. you think he kill just your people... I say No. he kill many people that your people were one group of them.
    Mr.Sadam hosein is the worse man that I ever see. when he grow up to a dictator, after revelation in Iran he was come to Iraq TV,and order to his Forces to attack in Iran, they were Kill , Rape , slaughtered Iranians people in 8 years. all of west country were behind him, They were armed him with Chemical weapons. even He tested his new weapons on his people, one city people dead.... and then he kill many men and women and children with these weapons(I don't say you as a man give him these weapons but your government!!!). one they Imam Khomeini the Iranian leader said that Saddam is a Dog that will attack his owner one day. In khalij war he test his weapons on American solders too. He kill Thousands people. so his word has nothing to learn. if you show these words to say Islam is Militant religion I should say to you: do Not measure it with his followers.
    good thing is always good, I mean Everything is not relative.
    If at this threat I point on some signs because I live in middle east. we can feel pain in our friend country people(Iraq). Iran really really really don't want to play a part in this war. but men and women in this country believe in some thing that I said(but this mean not that they want a war,they just waiting for one man who bring back the peace in world)
    I accept your words that we must be good as humans,as man. but now in this small world who care about that,when you see terrorism, killers,butchers in TV. If this happen so easy the world that we know must be something else.

    I have a Proverb from Iran.
    Foolish man is a man that when you show him something with your finger point , he saw just your finger.
     
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    One thing I learned attending a Fundamentalist Baptist Madrassa is that wanting prophecy to come true, prophecy too easily interpreted, has an effect on making it happen.

    In essence true prophecy is unknowable, to have been a prophecy, until after it happens.

    He is the product of political grooming:

    1 October 2004: "The African-American Democrat is being groomed for national leadership. His speech at the Democratic convention, a homily on hard work, individual responsibility and the American dream, would have been well received at a Republican convention not so many years ago. But in 2004, Obama is passed off as a 'progressive' politician." (Democratic keynote speaker Barack Obama calls for missile strikes on Iran) http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/oct2004/obam-o01.shtml

    Look, we all do not hate you that much:

    "If you wanted to keep Saddam in power to suppress the scary Shiites, you have probably exceeded the limits and violated some verse of the Koran. Have a nice day!" (Me, 08-11-05, 01:00 PM)

    General Wesley Clark: “He was contained. Yes he was an unpleasant person. Yes he was a potential danger like every tyrant I guess is. But he couldn’t directly strike the United States and he was performing the function of a ‘cork in the bottle’ in the Persian Gulf containing the power of Iran. We removed him.” (Transcript of Stewart Varney interview of General Wesley Clark on Your World Cavuto, Fox News)

    Some Americans have spent years opposing those Bill Clinton butt buddy scholars.

    I think mankind should be somewhat embarrassed that they want a messiah to come and save us, what is next the Man of Steel (infinitely dense and flies like a bird)?

    Why would anyone want one man to bring peace to the world that way, when we are not willing to just be good to each other?

    It is an indictment of all of us if one man must make us be good.

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    We all know the history of "Us government set him in Afghanistan," as that is what our "liberal" professors teach us.

    “How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen”
    “Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
    Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
    http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

    This is how I reworded what that man said:

    “Rape is not an enemy but a technique of warfare -- political intimidation through the selective breeding of unarmed non-combatants.” (Zbigview Brznutski, Obama supporter)
    (Terrorized by 'War on Rape' - Washingtonpurplethrobbingpost) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032301613.html

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    "Iran's being contained by a--by a stronger, more democratic, more effective Iraq." (Republican, Sen. GRAHAM, McCain supporter, "CBS NEWS' FACE THE NATION," Sunday, July 6, 2008 )

    "Iran is proceeding now in ways that were unimaginable until we invaded Iraq and basically did what they said, which is provide the Shia with the ability to do what they haven't been able to do in 1200 years, gain a position of dominance over the Sunni." (Democrat, Sen. KERRY, Obama supporter, "CBS NEWS' FACE THE NATION," Sunday, July 6, 2008 )

    I would say, "Not measure US with his followers." John Kerry's support for Rome Treaty (ICC) is a deliberate act of betrayal of the principle of "consent of the governed," because he would only give US only some protections from politically motivated prosecutions.

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    The simple fact is that the United Nations Charter, and the principle of "consent of the governed" in our Declaration of Independence, does not morally support containment of Shia or an endless lukewarm "liberal" arts of war of using a butcher as a "‘cork in the bottle’ in the Persian Gulf containing the power of Iran."

    Of Saddam you said, "all of west country were behind him," and you said, "Imam Khomeini the Iranian leader said that Saddam is a Dog that will attack his owner one day."

    Man, I once (secretly) put aircraft parts in a large wooden box headed to Iran, and I asked, "Why?" The answer given to me approximately was, "the other guy is worse."

    I also stood next to an Iranian in Memphis Tennessee once. He was an Officer in the Iranian airforce taking an electronics class during Jimmy Carter's reign, before "the 444 days of glory in Iran" (my way of saying it, not that I approve or anything of the French Whine of 1979). Back then the computer printer was really loud. If you passed the test the printer would run for a few seconds, if you failed it would print out all sorts of stuff. The printer just ran and ran and he was sweating like crazy. I asked the instructor what his problem was, and the instructor got really mad and basically said, "if you fail the course we will not kill you."

    Whether or not he would have been killed is not relevant, except it goes to our taught perception of your people, but I have always wondered what happened to that guy. Did he pass and go home and get killed in the revolution or war with Iraq...is he now an old man...

    The simple fact is we never owned any of them, Saddam or the Mujahideen, people used them is more accurate. It is said nations do not have friends only interests.

    ******

    Just because people make bad decisions does not mean there is some Great Satan, that Flip Wilson can claim “The devil made me do it.” You are probably unfamiliar with the great Western Philosopher Flip Wilson..."What you see is what you get."

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    Our greatest interest should be to have peace, to live and let live. I do not think our peoples can get there when so many nations have dictators and governments that oppress opposition, that gives peoples the only choice to let the opposing force get stronger or use the failures of peoples of nations to enfranchise themselves.

    “(Mat 6:5) And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    (Mat 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    (Mat 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
    (Mat 6:8 ) Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."

    "'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'" http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...rces/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html

    We have legitimate reasons to oppose any religion that demands we bow down in public and orders us to pray one way. It has been a set-up from day one that could only create more conflict.

    Civilization went from whipping out a tripod for offerings to the gods, to whores having a piece of silver thrown in their lap at the Temple of Venus in an opening ceremony, to people having to pay to be clean enough for the temple, to hypocrites demanding prayer a certain way timed and seen and one way. What does your religion really order man to do? Is it peace you seek, or is it an order to do some triviality? If God does not smell incense or an offering or see a perfectly timed bowing, does that mean we are unjust to our fellow man? How do we judge who is a false prophet? If we must have a religion, must it bow down with those who bow down? And how do we choose which direction to bow? Do we go with the first order or the second order? Should we not get confused by conflicting orders because a false prophet hates the Joos?

    “Not to go on all-fours; that is the Law..." (H.G. Wells, The Island of Doctor Moreau) http://www.bartleby.com/1001/12.html

    Is peace doomed to be a force of order, "just waiting for one man who bring back the peace in world" that never really existed? Or could peace exist when man orders another to bow this way and then that way or else he is slaughtered like an animal for his ignorance of the almighty revelation?

    I just pointed my finger.
     
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    I think most nice guys would be better off if they could pray for true love and perform true love rituals at a near by temple to Aphrodite. What would be wrong with being that holy and that moral; would women be worse off?
     
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    In the Old Testament there is a sexual plague that killed something like 30,000 people, for a tribe that is pretty large, the cure was a spear though both Israelis and their lovers. Sexuality goddesses sometimes have a "stewardess" on the California to New York route refusing on camera to stop going to the bathhouses even though they have a new plague called "GAIDS," even when warned they would spread it and the laws of man would not stop him or arrest him. Who can forget the The Morton Downey Jr Show, where the goddesses were opposed to the closing of the bathhouses? Who can forget the "California Hot Tub Rectal Gonorrhea" joke on KMET? Religion is good to have for when the laws of man do not remember history.
     
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    'twiddle dee to heaven, 94.7, KMET................. twiddle dee'


    back when stariway to heaven was the number one song, for almost ever!!!!


    then of course............'free bird'


    most of todays religions were born in an era when bathing was called baptizing........

    ie.... circumcision was because deseases festered under the foreskin.......

    So i liken the religious adherances of many as being 'clipped and dipped'



    'we the people' (mankind) are the new. We are the age of truth.

    we ARE all capable of the greatest of compassion (and evil) but to know that, be responsible to that and LOVE with the roots and core of reality, truth and god (mother nature herself)............... then we can all know what it means to be 'born again' (aware of exactly what we are) ie.... 1st.. birth from the womb, then learn and become aware of life in fact (second birth/awakening)


    i know each can but then it takes giving up the divine comedy (the BS of maintaining belief over fact)
     
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    What you are describing are commercial ventures that may not have much to do with Religion; the historical record is pretty clear on that matter as well.

    Would we really be worse off, if nice guys could go to a temple to Aphrodite and pray for true love and perform true love rituals, simply to be more holy and more moral and for the sake of better gender relations? In my opinion, such "spiritual" infrastructure could only provide a benefit and greater glory to our immortal souls.
     

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