New York Times and Guardian to share Snowden material

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  1. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    I've refuted all this (*)(*)(*)(*) ages ago. We treat information per the fourth amendment. I was talking about congress not even having it. You just keep appealing for belief in your story, and I refuted everything you said while you ignore questions that challenge your claim.. I'm not doing these circles your avoisions create anymore.

    Like a man, stand up and tell me your answer to this question:

    DO YOU BELIEVE THE CONSTITNUTION SHOULD ALWAYS BE FOLLOWED, AS IT WAS DESIGNED? Y/N
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    OK....I am a staunch supporter of the U.S. Constitution and the GREATNESS of the U.S. Constitution and the Greatness of our forefathers who wrote it is they realized that in order for the U.S. Constitution to be lasting and remain viable over the coming centuries to pass would be the U.S. Constitutions ability to EVOLVE thus be capable and flexible to stand the test of time and an ever changing and evolving world.

    Thomas Jefferson who was quite possibly one of the most BRILLIANT MEN IN HISTORY had the vision and understood how future generations of American's would encounter much different issues and situations and Jefferson was lucky to have been in the company of such visionaries as Ben Franklin, Sam Adams and although not having as great a scientific intellect as Franklin or being the wordsmith that Jefferson was...we were LUCKY to have a General that when after the United States drove the British out and won the American Revolutionary War and people were calling for GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON to BECOME KING of the 13 Colonies....Washington told the people....NO!

    As Washington was also a visionary and believed in the creation of the Democratic Republic that was the United States of America....he placed the welfare of the American People far above his own and above any personal glory that many wanted to bestow upon him as Washington KNEW that for him to become KING was simply slipping back into the same Monarchistic ideology that the American people were escaping.

    Now over the years we were able to do away with the scourge that was SLAVERY and the Civil War that was responsible for enormous numbers of American's dead and even through other wars over time and including various times when Presidents have been assassinated and then after a second World War and the beginning of the Nuclear Age once again America, it's Leadership and it's Military came to a REALITY that was so different and complex an issue than we had ever had to deal with before we really knew this was not something that was so easily categorized or defined or even understood how this REALITY would be dealed with and handled.

    That is about as much as I can say.

    AboveAlpha
     
  3. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    If that's all you can really say then you can't be a man and admit a simple question. I didn't ask about what the "founders" thought as what they thought is fully generalized as the consensus that is the Constittution.

    Here's all you need to say in order to not sound like the political weasel on the hot-seat.

    SHOULD THE CONSTITUTION ALWAYS BE OBEYED?!?!?!?

    YES OR NO?!?!?!?!

    Provide a reply with a yes or a no I dare you, I can clearly see you're trying to weasel out of admitting that you don't believe it should always be obeyed, considering there has been no amendment yet to repeal the fourth.

    SHOULD THE CONSTITUTION BE OBEYED?!?!?

    YES

    or

    NO

    Two simple answers. Even a baby can pick a hand.
     
  4. Tommy Palven

    Tommy Palven Active Member Past Donor

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    IMHO the Constitution is dead, but I hope that AboveAlpha will answer your question, anyway, because the Constitution has a provision for change though amendments. But the loss of due process, free speech, the enactment of a White House office of faith-based charities, and on and on, have all been done without Constitutional Amendments.
     
  5. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    I doubt he'll have the guts to answer.

    I'm sick about people supporting the recision of rights and then talking about protecting freedom, just as I'm sick of people overthrowing democratically elected governments just to go on about "the right of the people", "democracy", "self-determination" etc.
     
  6. Tommy Palven

    Tommy Palven Active Member Past Donor

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    I've heard it said before that government is a protection racket, but it seems especially true now, with the burgeoning CIA, NSA, and other Secret Police.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket
     

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