NFL Protest Had It's Day

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  1. Bluebird

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    What have I posted that you need proof of?
    If you are talking about the post where you said something about pravda or whatever you called it---I would have presented proof,however another poster answered your question with proof & presented it for you---Did you not read that?
    How is it you want to blame & disparage me for you not doing any research?
    This was a very expensive to the taxpayers reality game show political ploy thought up by the carnival barker & his minion VP that didn't fool anybody but a few,including you----you know those blinders can be removed--just a thought----
     
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    Who says Jones was justified in taking no action?

    The NFL operations manual says all players should stand with their helmet in their left hand. Failure of even a single player to do so can result in the loss of draft choices for the team as well as fines and suspensions for the players, even for a first offense.

    The NFL and the owners *should* have taken action the first time Kapernick disrespected the flag. But the gutless wonders let it all get out of hand.

    Jones has finally stood up and said ENOUGH! When is the NFL going to do the same? A few heavy fines and draft choice losses and I guarantee you it would be over in 24 hours!
     
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    It wasn't as expensive as the loss of revenue to all the common people who have seen their revenues go down. Vendors of branded sportswear. Sponsor's employees. Etc.

    But then, the left doesn't care about the common man any more - and haven't for 50 years. That's why Trump won!
     
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    Then why are so many folks praising him for it?

    Every single person in this country with basic cable television knows that NFL players are protesting during the national anthem right now. It's not a secret.

    So saying that, if I decided that I would refuse to sit and watch an NFL game in person if players decide to protest, why the hell would I buy a ticket to attend an NFL game right now? Just so I could show up and leave?

    Like I said I get why he did it, it was a smart political play to make, but there is nobody who can logically argue that he didn't think the players were going to do that given the fact that such demonstrations have literally been in every single media outlet in the nation over the past month...I'm pretty sure the Vice President of the United States was informed of this at least once...
     
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    "Now if the VP were attending the game when Kaepernick did this the first time then decided to up and walk out then that would be a completely different story and actually worthy of the praise he is getting."

    Protests are protests. Either the players and Pence are both worthy of praise or neither are. Trust me, Kaepernick's first protest was also planned ahead of time!
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Then why didn't he? Why wait this long? What made him finally say enough is enough?

    Would you have allowed your employees to blatantly disrespect the flag and nation in such a manner and wait 5 weeks before taking action against it?
     
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    The players protests were planned as well. Even the first one by Kaepernick. Of course *they* had a captive audience.

    Pence's action was a PROTEST against the actions of the players. And it apparently has worked out far better than the players protests have!
     
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    Gasp! You are saying that Pence pulled an Obama? Remember when the very day after the massacre at Benghazi Obama jetted to Las Vegas for a political fund raising function? You certainly should since Obama worshipers praised him for having his priorities straight. After all what was the blood of our Ambassador and staff and protectors compared to political fund raising for the Dem Party cause and Obama's presidency? Leftists concluded that they weren't worth the time of day.
     
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    I think "gutless wonders" kind of says it all!

    It's the threat of the loss of sponsors that brought Jones around! I don't know about the rest but NE vs TB was down 12% in viewership. That's a big loss for the sponsors!

    And, no, at the start of training camp I would have given *EVERY* player and coach in the NFL a copy of the NFL Operational Guide laying out the rules for the anthem and told them violations *will* incur penalties!
     
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    Which is exactly why I specifically said that I understand why he did it, it was a smart political play to make. Use his position and fame to make a stance in the public eye to hopefully convince others to do the same. I specifically said that earlier to...But trying to convince anybody that Pence was unaware that the NFL players were going to protest at the game he was attending is literally illogical...Thats all Im saying...
     
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    Yes but quoting only known to be loyal leftist polling sources our Dem Party posters are claiming that it's more like 32 percent and falling. In that I suspect that they are wrong, just as wrong as they were when originally predicting a HUGE presidential victory for Hillary Clinton.
     
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    I think the leftness and the MS media just takes things out of context. Naturally some would praise him for making the smart move. But I think its over the top. As Pence knew the SF 49ers were playing and that they would get down on their knees. I figure they will be the last to cave under the pressure.

    It is San Francisco.....home of the illiberals.
     
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    I haven't really seen anyone saying Pence wasn't aware other than on the Marxist Democrat apology media like NBC, MSNBC, and CNN. Kellyann Conway said that Pence and Trump had discussed the issue so they *must* have known that it was at least possible the players were going to protest. In fact, it was advertised BEFORE the game what Pence was going to do in order to give the players a chance to reconsider. The players did their thing and Pence did his.
     
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    Bingo. Which is literally what I have said multiple times today....

    Loss of sponsors = loss of revenue.

    THAT is what brought him around and made him take a stance. If it were TRULY heartfelt patriotism and he TRULY felt that what they were doing was wrong then he would have done what you said you would have done and incurred penalties on every single player who disrespected the flag the second the first one decided to kneel down.

    He, however, did no such thing and decided to take a stance once the threat of revenue loss reached his doorstep.

    Given the highlighted statement that you made, would you be willing to agree with me that if there were no threat of sponsorship loss Jerry Jones would not have taken the stance he took yesterday?
     
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    I know. It's not as sexy as being a race-baiting and race-agitating president and getting the nation needlessly worked up over "Hands up! Don't shoot!" when the young thug Michael Brown didn't say that or do that but instead did his level best to murder a police officer just doing his job. Now had Trump done something like that as president then our leftists would instantly have fallen in love with him. But no, Trump just cares about patriotism and flag and country and getting the economy going again; the boring stuff.
     
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    I'm not sure. Jones was the owner that had his players kneel BEFORE the anthem and then stand during the anthem. Whether that was because he foresaw the revenue loss or he was pained about the disrespect of the flag only he can know. But at least he has had the guts to do what the NFL and the other owners have yet to do!
     
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    Not even leftists believe that Right of Center people have not been in the military. We ARE speaking of the Right and not the Left.
     
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    The other owners will come around too. The Dolphins owner already has.

    These guys are businessmen. You said it yourself the threat of sponsorship loss is what ultimately made Jerry come around, same thing with Stephen Ross. They didn't become multi-million/billion dollar businessmen by being idiots. They know they can't let this continue it's simply bad business practice to do so. Some owners will likely hold out longer than others but at the end of the day they will be left with no choice but to take the same stance as Jerry and Stephen have done.

    A business cannot operate at a loss forever.

    At the end of the day it's not even about patriotism it's about money. Jerry Jones came around because while yes protesting during the national anthem is disrespectful and he believes it so, it is ultimately just a bad business practice. It's the latter that will make the owners come around as Jerry did, not the former unfortunately.

    I wish that genuine heartfelt patriotism would be the reasoning behind why owners quell this stunt, but it is and will be money at the end of the day that is the deciding factor.
     
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    Where is your proof in what you just posted??????^^^^^^ A lot that you said, makes not a bit of sense to me.

    My feeling is Pence represented America at the football game. And as next in command, he did right to stand up for the anthem. Do you actually understand what the anthem is? Do you think it is a song about blacks?

    Why are football players making millions being petulant asses over the anthem?

    Do you see rich black men in suits and ties doing this crap?

    When Seth Curry failed to respect the president, what other man was he going to respect? Kaepernick did not even respect Obama.
     
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    https://www.wired.com/story/john-kelly-hacked-phone
    Well,ok-here is this one to start---that you were whining about I guess--
    Do you want more?
     
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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watc...eted-a-new-photo-at-the-colts-game/vi-AAtaFt9
    I stand by my post--just because you are hoodwinked, others are not----
     
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    Look, I did not claim Pence was not there for the Anthem. I asked you to describe what the anthem is?

    I asked you to justify players making millions of dollars per game pulling a stunt over a famous battle with the British at Ft. McHenry by Baltimore?

    i never went to any pro football game to see these young adults, very rich indeed, playing such games.

    Do you see the wealthy black men in suits and ties pulling such stunts?
     
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    What the heck? You showed me some article with content alleging Kelley's phone quit prior to his entering the White house and yet the publication made no hint they spoke to General Kelly?

    Isn't that yellow journalism?

    Here is how BS that is.

    I once sponsored Men's fast pitch softball. We were the CA champions and played in the national tournament and ended up in 2nd place.

    I overhear two wise asses chatting about me and my team. Per them, i paid my players into the thousands of dollars as wages to play for my extremely powerful team. It was all lies. I asked them who told them and they said I told them. I said I could not tell you since I never heard of you nor saw you at all. They ran off.

    The old adage is if it is in some book, that automatically makes it true. Same as your posts. To you, when you post, you assume it is true.
     
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    https://ruclip.com/video/GtSaa8Y0hL...devices-in-west-wing-rachel-maddow-msnbc.html
    Okay,here's more proof for you--
    No,you made a statement that I "never" provide proof when I make statements--intimating that I just make things up---So--here's a hint for you-Care to go back & read your flippant comment?
    You justify pence's phony patriotic game playing & apparent lying past pic,that is what I'm talking about----
     

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