Nope. Just leave the state. In most countries suicide is illegal. If you want to end your own life you go to the few places you can legally do so. No freedoms are violated by doing so. It just depends on your will. The only boundaries you have are those which you accept as restricting your freedoms. IOW if you don't like it, find somewhere you like better. Look up. Look out and take advantage of a very wide world. Even poor migrants do that! All those who want abortions in a prohibitive state need do is get to Canada...not the end of the world. Any limits on freedoms extend only to the very small borders of your state.
You don't get it. The fact -any- state -can- limit abortions means the right is not absolute, and the right is not unlimited
ThIf you can avoid that restriction, does it matter? It depends on how far you want to extend your rights. IE i don't have certain rights in France which I have in for example Switzerland. It is at the other end if life...I refer to euthanasia.
If there's no absolute rights, then there's no rights. They'd all eventually be 'rationalized' (or we could just call it 'rationed') into meaninglessness. ...which is in fact the case. All across the spectrum, we see our rights having less and less meaning. At the end of the day, we only have the rights which we're willing to die for. If enough of us are willing to die for a right, that right will be protected because taking it is more trouble than its worth. Some rights may be temporarily protected as a political ploy, but the emphasis is on temporarily. Once no longer politically beneficial, those rights which we do not view as just as important as our very lives will be revoked. Rights are the enemy of all who seek power over others. If we accept that our lives are more important than our rights, we will eventually live as slaves. Which begs the question- how many women would die defending their right to have an abortion? Unless the answer is 'most of them', abortion will be banned shortly after it is no longer useful as a political football, whenever that would be. TBC- I don't say this with anticipation. Abortion is important to the right to choose how one cares (or not) for ones own health, as well as important to the right for each of us to decide how the fruits of our own labor will be used. I would hope that many women would be willing to die for these concepts just as strongly as I would hope they would CHOOSE to not get an abortion. I just think there's less and less that would, and I think that trend is eventually going to lead to a lack of rights. Here's hoping to be proven wrong.
I suggest that rights do not stans alone. Rights are the other side of responsibilities and do not come for free. Any woman's rights to an abortion comes inseparable from her responsibilities to the child she helped to create, be it by design or accident. Now you can believe or convince yourself the child is not alive. In that case you have no responsibilities to anyone but yourself. If that child is in your view alive, then you have the same responsibilities to it as you do to any other live creation. And if you lie to yourself because that is the easy way to deal with an inconvenience, your mind will not let you forget. There won't be many days in the test of your life when you don't feel the sharp twist of recrimination.
As for rights in general, they are flexible over time. Slavery was a right. Today we assume a right to freedom. Property owning rights were denied to women until recently, as were the rights of women to get a mortgage or even walk out alone. And some rights are very inconvenient such as the right to claim asylum. They don't always satisfy everyone and are not something written by a spirit guide ans handed to you. They merely reflect how individuals can stake out their place in life with assurance and legal support.
As are many others. As I said, you are free to go wherever you want to activate your rights. Why should the right to an abortion be absolute? It is a very complex and wide ranging issue with no clear moral imperative.
The premise of this thread can only be enforced at the point of a gun. Fortunately in America we have a lot of guns in the hands of liberty loving individuals! We appeal to a Higher Authority as in our Declaration of Independence. We don't want to fight that Revolution ever again. That is why we are persistant!
Yes it is sad. Mankind is a flawed creature and we need to understand that when we entrust too much power to flawed individuals. Evil is in the world,. Those that want to deny that do so at their own peri!
" This amounts to approximately 5,200 abortions per year occurring at or after 21 weeks, however this is an underestimate as only 33 reporting areas report abortions to the CDC by gestational age. ... ... Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 2). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure." https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/ Under this pro-abortion mentality we have in this country mothers are allowed to kill their little babies at their sole discretion.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I see the late abortion bans as unnecessary. How many perfectly sane, mentally sound, women go through 8-9 months of pregnancy and then decide to have an abortion.....I bet it's zero (unless there is a health problem). IF a woman wants an abortion at 8-9 months she's treated for her mental health problems, not given an abortion. OK,........... now explain what that has to do with the post of mine you quoted: ""How many perfectly sane, mentally sound, women go through 8-9 months of pregnancy and then decide to have an abortion.....I bet it's zero (unless there is a health problem). IF a woman wants an abortion at 8-9 months she's treated for her mental health problems, not given an abortion."""""
5,200 of just reported is not zero "Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 2). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure."" Those are not mental health issues
FoxHastings said: ↑ I see the late abortion bans as unnecessary. How many perfectly sane, mentally sound, women go through 8-9 months of pregnancy and then decide to have an abortion.....I bet it's zero (unless there is a health problem). ......OK,........... now explain what that has to do with the post of mine you quoted: That's a medical problem. LOL ALL things Anti-Choicers contribute to !!!......causing more abortions... glad to help. 20 weeks is legal.
The mother is perfectly healthy and could give birth to a perfectly healthy baby, there is not imminent serious threat to her life. The fact is your claim there are ZERO late term abortions not done health reasons and mothers who want one have mental health problems is specious nonsense which you have offered nothing in support.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I see the late abortion bans as unnecessary. How many perfectly sane, mentally sound, women go through 8-9 months of pregnancy and then decide to have an abortion.....I bet it's zero (unless there is a health problem). ......OK,........... now explain what that has to do with the post of mine you quoted: That's a medical problem. You have not provided one example of a mentally sound woman demanding , and getting, an abortion at over 23 weeks from reputable doctors.
The fact is your claim there are ZERO late term abortions not done health reasons and mothers who want one have mental health problems is specious nonsense which you have offered nothing in support. I showed you you were wring there were zero and those that occur are not for mental health reasons.
Ya, except the poorest of the poor who need abortions the most sometimes don't have money for bus fare across town...
FoxHastings said: ↑ You have not provided one example of a mentally sound woman demanding , and getting, an abortion at over 23 weeks from reputable doctors.
FoxHastings said: ↑ FoxHastings said: ↑ You have not provided one example of a mentally sound woman demanding , and getting, an abortion at over 23 weeks from reputable doctors. NEVER happened or you could've posted it here
