"Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion"

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    archives Well-Known Member

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    "Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done."

    "That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August."

    "The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed."

    "The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/u...45tion=topNews

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...ull.pdf#page=1

    Well, that explains why Trump said he knew it was a pandemic before it was a pandemic, about the same time he told Americans he had it all under control. And what was Trump's response to the report, cut the NSC's Global Health Dept., the very entity Obama created after the Ebola scare to prepare for an epidemic

    Is it any wonder Medical supplies are running low, testing is slow, and America had to look to the likes of the NBA for direction?

    But Trump credits himself with doing a good job, ten out of ten
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not to worry. Dear Leader tells us all is OK. Ignore the elephant in the room.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    And here come the 20/20-hindsight experts to tell us how clear it all looks when viewed through the Retrospect-O-Scope.
     
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    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was clear to some of us, I've warned about all of this for weeks.... and I'm sure Trump has much smarter people working for him than me.

    Of course they knew, but what should they have said?

    "Yeah, well, I'd say we're all ****ed. Good luck, God speed."
     
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    You people are so giddy with joy about this, and how you want to use it to trash Trump. Let's put it in perspective for a second, and stop bashing Trump for just a moment.

    US COVID-19 per CDC as of today: 10,442 cases, total death toll is 150. ~1.4% death rate.
    Italy COVID-19 as of today: 41,035 cases, total death toll is 3,405. ~8.3% death rate.

    Considering the scope of this pandemic, the US is responding well so far. This may change, but for the love of god, please hold back your excitement to see Trump fail. Also, stop cheering about the economy crashing. We should all hope and help Trump succeed in this case. It is not helpful trying to Monday morning quarterback the decisions made prior to this pandemic, nor is it helpful that the MSM such as CNN is attempting to focus on Trump calling this a China virus, when they were all calling it the same thing a few weeks ago.
     
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    Partially true, but little sympathy goes Trump's way when he continuously attacked Obama during the Ebola scare, even referred to him as an idiot, what goes around, comes around, and it still remains a fact that the Trump Administrarion didn't prepare for any of the potential results the two studies showed
     
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    Yes, let's all attack Trump during this pandemic. That will be helpful.
     
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    Anything but "we got it under control" or comparing it to the common flu when they knew it wasn't, being a bit more honest would have been helpful, it took the NBA cancelling their season to show the potential threat incolved

    And being at least slightly prepared as recommended might have been helpful
     
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    Casting Trump as the martyr is getting old, he wasn't ready although the warning was there, and when the threat became real, he downplayed the danger, and now we have a shortage of necessary medical supplies, a delay in meeting the States' requests, and all kinds of confusion over testing, he screwed up, offered little to no direction, as I noted, the NBA set the example for others to follow, not the leader of the country
     
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    Your assumptions are incorrect so go find someone else to politicize the Wuhan virus with.
    There is NO WAY any government in the world can protect all its citizens from a pandemic unless it is caught in the first week of its release. BTW. China failed to do that. The World Health Organisation failed to do their part.
    The government and military have been running scenarios since I was back involved with the Army 5 decades ago.
    This is an eye opener for the woke generation, we oldies ARE prepared. Most of us have seen this rodeo before and we do have provisions and means to take care of ourselves for an extended period of time. Wanna buy some TP or ammo?
    Stop blaming the president and get less woke and you will benefit. **** happens.
     
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    Where in my post did I cast him as a martyr exactly? The US response has not been perfect, but it is far from the disaster people like you are making it out to be (and hoping it becomes for pure political reasons).
     
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    Casting Trump as a martyr is getting old, not attacking, just pointing out his blunders, and, not to employ a "whataboitism," doing it in a much more civilized manner than the right did Obama back in 2009, can you recall the Tea Party and "porkulus"

    "Hope the Stimulus Package Fails"
    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2009/02/13/i_hope_the_stimulus_package_fails/
     
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    That's more important to Leftists than a cure.
     
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    No one said Trump was suppose to protect all its citizens, rather, that the lack of direction he offered in the offset wasn't what an American expects from its' President, failure of leadership. And with the now issues over testing and shortage of medical supplies it shows he hasn't improved his effort much

    And they were warned that such a pandemic was possible, even Trump himself said he knew it was a pandemic before the WHO declared it a pandemic, but he continued to lie to the American people implying it was no worse than the common flu
     
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    All true, but the long term legacy here will be his disbanding of the NSC pandemic unit in 2018, then having the balls to say he knew nothing about it.

    Believable, sure, since he knows little about everything, but ridiculous nonetheless..

    We can root for him to succeed in preventing more US deaths, but still accurately point the finger that his previous actions didn't prepare us as we probably should have been...
     
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    "has not been perfect." It has been far from perfect, although Trump thinks he deserves a ten out of ten for his effort

    Trump mislead the American public, and if what has been exposed is true, he did it deliberately cause being Trump he couldn't be the bearer of bad news that could reflect upon him in an election year, sure you want to talk about "pure political reasons?"
     
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    Third time, stop casting Trump as a martyr, he f*cked up, a blunder is a blunder
     
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    He was racist for closing the air traffic with China when he did.

    Imagine had he done it two weeks before. Democrats would have been outraged!
     
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    Amen. Trump has done a very good job handling this. So good, in fact, that even rabid Trump hating Democrat politicians have had to swallow a few bites of crow and admit he's done a good job.

    The left can cheer for him to fail and they can put all of their hopes into "no president gets reelected in a recession", but most everyone else can see and acknowledge how Trump has absolutely stepped up to the plate to handle this.

    If someone is hellbent to "blame" someone.......try pointing a finger first at China.

    Screeching "but Trump! but Trump! but Trump!" only makes the screecher look bad.
     
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    You don't even know what a martyr is, but you keep using that word. People like you find it more important to burn down the President than to pull the nation together. That's who you are.
     
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    Now there's a loyal Fox viewer, as General Kelly said, "not informed"

    How could Trump be doing a "very good job handling this" when it was the NBA who set the example of what needed to be done while at the time Trump was implying it was no worse than the common seasonal flu?

    How could Trump be doing a "very good job handling this" when testing kits were in shortage, necessary medical supplies are running out, and State Governors have had to wait on Federal assistence and search themselves for ventilators?

    How could Trump be doing a "very good job" when he cut the very entity that would have had us better prepared for an epidemic even while Trump was warned that such an epidemic was a real possibility?

    Is there a need to continue?
     
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    Keep screeching :)
     
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    Dirty Donald is a hate monger repeatedly referring to it as the Chinese virus KNOWING that psychos in our streets are attacking and berating Asians. What is the point in his doing this other that to ferment hatred???
     
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    It is the martyr complex you assume regarding Trump, that his critics exaggerates and purposely create a negative portray of Trump, that they are picking on him, he is the victim, and Trump knowing your view, plays it to the hilt

    And the latter is rather humorous, we had eight straight years of the entire right wing media 24/7 attacking Obama over anything and everything, remember the cries of "I hope he fails" during the 2009 economic meltdown? How about "porkulus" with the stimulus which closely resembles what Trump is doing today. And now you are saying others pointing out Trump's blunders is the antithesis of helping the nation?

    As I said, casting Trump as the martyr
     
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    Not to mention testing is still reserved for those who show symptoms. If 7 of 8 show no symptoms and aren't even tested the actual mortality rate drop even lower...
     

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