"Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion"

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    archives Well-Known Member

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    Just telling the American public the truth might have been nice
     
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    This is "intellectually dishonest," and based upon what I am seeing, where you are forming your opinions:

     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You just did more of the same. The day you decide to take people in their full context, come on back. Until then, you are just pushing soundbite hack material produced by the Orange Man Bad Cult.
     
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    2009 was the most recent one. It was called swine flu. upwards of 1/2 million people died from it. The reason you didn't know that is that there was no hysteria about it.
     
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    Perhaps because there existed a vaccine, the majority of those that died from it didn't or couldn't get the vaccine, not the same for this virus, there is not preventive measure and it is spreading
     
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    Wait a minute, you are attempting to tell us the likes of Hannity was taken out of context?

    I gave you the perfect example of "intellectual dishonesty," and just about everything those demagogues offered, especially in the first half, I've seen regurgitated in this thread
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree. The leader's job is to keep his flock as calm as possible. You need to remind yourself of how fast panic spreads.
     
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    Telling the truth doesn't panic people, they deserve the facts, they could see what was happening in China and Italy, and Trump didn't do it out of empathy or to prevent panic, he did it for his own pure political motives, the last thing he wanted to give Americans in an election year is bad news
     
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    OK, so what would you do to counteract the next outbreak in a couple of years?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that you never saw this coming?
     
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    I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.

    It's the only way to be sure.
     
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    2009. Swine flu. Upwards of 1/2 million people died worldwide.
     
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    So then the Dear Leader, which has had complete control of the Republicans, should not have started the seeds of the stock market panic selling by the secret but massive selling the moment the Trump Senate insiders after the reports from the Intelligence agencies that tge stocks will crash.

    This just isn't financial and criminal laws, this is treason!

    Not just the Senators screwing the public and causing the start of panic selling when others saa our leaders, but EVERYONE who saw these Senators selling off every Covid-19 related stock they had later in the day right after the Intelligence briefing! This is other Senators, and certainly the Trump administration members who have contrant and secret discussions, certainly including Trump and his family themselves!

    This is heinous betrayal of America to have our leaders selling off stock while publicly say "everything is OK"!
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lock them up.
     
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    This 'example' is the grossest violation of human rights in the history of the Republic. I'm not sure you should be celebrating that. There are those who are celebrating our USSR Moment. I am not, and never have been from the beginning. There is no emergency that promotes the idea that our rights and civil liberties are to be taken by the government by fiat.

    We should be able to make our own choices and decisions, we should at least be able to vote and decide on what is the best approach to take. When we are robbed of our ability to choose as a country, that is when we've lost the nation.

    And this plan was promoted in the 7 page report outlined by the LAST administration. So Trump is president by proxy only during this violation of human rights(as well as the massive inflationary spending) which is why Omar celebrated it.

    The government's been hijacked, rights have been taken away but this is the 'proper' response.
     
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    NO.

    We need the truth.

    Listening to those who have lied to us on issues of this importance is something that we have to STOP doing.

    We are STILL not getting the truth from Trump, by the way. I do NOT know why we keep broadcasting his garbage. It should just be recorded and put on line so people who want to can read it.

    Our news in a disaster such as this is being responsible only whent it searches out the truth.
     
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    It's tiring to hear you keep trying to make this about politics instead of about science.

    We need to be listening to the CDC, Dr. Fauci, and other experts.
     
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    While they rob the Republic dry of all of its money and freedoms. And I insist that the laughable thing is that once the government is done rummaging the pilfers of this crisis, the broken and hurdled masses now trying to reclaim what was theirs.

    Good luck. Sincerely, good luck. Plutocrats don't tend to listen to little people after stealing from them.
     
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    Lying is not a help. Ever.

    Pretending it isn't happening is NOT an approach to attecking this (or any other) problem.
     
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    Telling people what they need to do in order to get through this disaster is the ONLY responsible approach.
     
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    That's why Congress engaged in massive insider trading. This is the greatest seizure and forfeiture of public property(that's what closing these businesses is) is, ever. This isn't responsible. This is madness, and we're basically of the mindset: "Well, we'll just ask for it all back once its all over."

    It's comparable to the FDR internment camps, and the Courts will likely rule these actions illegal and beyond the pale of actions to protect the public health.
     
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    It is the leadership question

    As a leader, you learn that in the military.

    First you are dead honest
    Second you only provide facts
    Third if you don't know, you say so and make every effort to find out and KNOW.
    Fourth You take responsibility
    Fifth you lead from the front.

    None of this can be said of the Trump Government.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I have not proposed congressmen are the source of science.

    During WWII we rounded up Asians and stole their property while isolating them in camps in remote locations. That's not anyting at ALL like what is happening today.

    Please state ONE act that should be considered illegal.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely.

    Thanks. We clearly need models of leadership today. Our military absolutely is a strong example.
     
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    Trump made the same mistake China made, he tried to downplay the virus and thought he had it under control
     
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