"Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion"

This is absolutely correct.

And in China, they removed the leadership that did that as soon as it was discovered.

It was a natural and immediate reaction for them.

For us, we passively tollearate continuing false leadership.

 

Isn't Mike Pence head of the task force, along with everyone's new favorite hero Dr.Farsi?

Your government is already replaced(see: Massive stimulus packages.) You just don't see it because it wasn't done by elections, but by fiat.

 

I am ex German Military, live in Colorado.

I watched a few of Cuomo's briefings.
Am very impressed.
He does not screw around, is honest, lays the facts out, pleasant and un-pleasant, mostly un-pleasant, takes action and responsebility

That guy has his crap together.

That's a leader.

 

Pence is a toady of Trump - and no more. Trump has very carefully seen to that. The flow of information from federal elected officials is through Trump - NOT Pence.

Dr. Fauci is a recognzed expert. And, he has repeatedly countered the garbage from Trump.

We absolutely need Dr. Fauci as somehow he manages to have exposure while still telling the truth.

 

Because there was proper leadership in the WH.

 

Agreed. I've seen that, too.

I also trust the leadership and truth coming from our governor of WA.

On the other hand, the governor of OK tweeted pictures of himself ignoring social distancing - even when he had directed that direction!!

Boris Johnson of UK asked for corporations to volunteer to create components needed for ventilators and other equipment and supplies. Numerous corporations immediatelly volunteered and with coordination from governmne they are now turning out these needed supplies far faster than would be possible by just leaving it to capitalism.

At the same time, the day after Trump told governors that he was signing the Defense Production Act several days ago, he tweeted that he wasn't going to actually use it!!

There are important differences in leadership, unfortunatelly.

 

Pence was the head when Trump wanted to ditch that responsibility, until Trump saw Pence was getting too much attention and seeming more Presidential then Trump, then Trump wanted that responsibility back

 

"More Presidential" by which we mean: Say things we want to hear, in the manner in which we want to hear them. Once this is all over, there's a lot to fix but our political system(and how we as a nation view politics) is definitely at the top of my list.

 

that won't happen until after Trump is out of office, Trump is not gonna change

and not sure how many years trumpism will take to clear from the republicans in Congress, it's like a Trump virus that give them TDS

 

As a leader you to explain to the folks you lead, what the possible worst scenario could be if you do not follow the rules and regulations.
You have to be dead honest about it, calm and serious.
I like that in the guy.

I do not care what party he is from, completely unimportant. It is about leadership qualities in a situation like this.
It is not about credit taking, but taking responsibility.
If the leader takes responsibility, instead of credit, people will follow and you show that you care, which is a nother leadership quality, probably the most important, in my eyes.

Cuomo, has shown it all..

I am in CO, he is in NY, thousands of miles away. Never cared what happens in NY. Just saw 2 of his briefings, sitting in the office and preparing my company for this crap and just said to me, that is a General.
Made it a point to watch his briefings.

 

I don't want to elect people who tell me what I want to hear and how I want to hear it. I don't want to elect somebody who "sounds presidential". What they're really saying is we want a snakes oil salesman. George Bush is great at that. If we want a Republican for that, put in Ted Cruz. They'll sound plenty presidential.

I haven't agreed with all(or most) of Trump's policies, but the country elected him because we were tired of the beltway. He was probably the furthest from the ideal choice of an independent candidate, but if we're going to go back to the beltway then what we did was for nothing.

And we can go back to fiat Washington stealing our dollars. But hey, they sound SMOOTH doing it.

 

agree, Trump lying to us was wrong, don't tell us you have it under control if you don't

 

I can agree that was the wrong thing to say. I know he wanted to quell a panic, but there's a difference from: "We have the best health agencies working around the clock to finding a solution." And "Have it under control." We MIGHT(hopefully will) have it under control someday but not today.

 

agree, but for Trump that would be giving credit to others, rather then claiming mission accomplished for himself at the moment

Trump lies to protect his own ego, he doesn't care about quelling a panic as long as he can be the "hero" of his own story

Trump hears a story about his uncle being smart and when he repeats it, it's not to praise his uncle... it's to claim credit as if it makes him smart too and that he understands everything his uncle does because he is related - too Trump everythign is about himself

 

When Trump came out for his first serious briefing, he was hardly able to read his notes, fumbled, stumbled.
Than he handed it over to Pence and Pence without notes was able to handle the situation in a very calm and collected way.

Pence showed calm and collected leadership and has show since.
Fact based and not I have a hunch.
He is actually more like the President of the crisis.

 

Nope he was afraid this could ruin his presidency.
He is the poll man, ratings and so on
The economy flying high, stoch market at all times high, democrats squabbling and so on.
Keep it that way, good news, all the time. Election year.
Please no bad news, no problems. Its his ego which caused the US to miss the ball, the reality TV mentality, ratings.

 

And that's definitely a character defect of his. I also think it's a defect we all have to some extent(though not as large as Trump's obviously.) We all want to believe we can control our own actions, outcomes and where we land in life. This coronavirus shows us: Nah, you don't control everything. It's impossible to control everything.

Where I did agree with Trump on this issue is the sensationalism: We know the stats, we see them everywhere. Yes we're afraid but you don't have to say it like that. If the reporter had used the word "concerned" instead, Trump would have most probably reacted differently. Because concern is a lesser word of impact then afraid.

It's not like Trump couldn't say "don't be afraid" because I bet even he's afraid. But he wouldn't want to admit that, nor does he want the public at large to be afraid. Words matter for all of us during this uncertain time. Even the reporter, could have used better words.

 

You make it sound like there was one lie.

We have had a stream of lies that follows through to yesterday.

One such lie yesterday was countered by Dr. Fauci, who was standing next to Trump who had just stated the lie.

 

I do not call them lies. He lives in a different world, fantasy land, Disney Land.
Its all about him and his ratings, I am the greatest and this utter lack of emphasis. I always get a 10 and two scoops, toss a paper towel roll.

His wife expressed, probably un wanted, a fashion thingy, give her that doubt, but he rally does not care, except for himself.

 

There are now more than 21,000 cases that have been confirmed in the United States. That is to be expected. As the U.S. tests more, it is logical to expect more cases. It is illogical to assume the increasing number is all due to increasing number of cases.

Put a different way, there are 21,000 cases of the common cold caused by a new virus. That is not at all unusual.

In a nation of 327 million, there have been 288 deaths caused by complications of the common cold from the coronavirus in three months, most are the elderly with underlying conditions and in nursing homes or other facilities

Again, that number is not at all unusual. In fact, it is quite low.

 

I am going to go out on limb here and offer a really crazy idea.

Could the cure be worse than the disease in a very real sense. Think about it. Dad and mom have lost their jobs. Bills will go unpaid, most likely for months. The children are underfoot because of school closures. The average family has permanently lost thousands of dollars in their retirement savings and investments. It will take years to get back where they were a few weeks ago, if they get it back. They can't go anywhere. They are ordered by politicians to stay home and all sports are shut down. No NBA or NHL championships. No March madness. No Masters, and all golf leagues are cancelled. The start of the baseball season has been postponed.

Will this cause an increase in stress? Of course, and in a major sense. It is reasonable to assume the murder rate and the suicide rate will go up, as people go nuts and frustrated, unable to correct the many concerns they have or find relief in leisure activities. The death toll from covid-19 is quite small in the U.S., 288 in three months.

In the past ten years there have been several incidences of a man being laid off from his job, then returning to his .or store with a gun and shooting up the place, killing co-workers and customers alike. Or a student or former student takes out his frustration on a school. Is that more likely to happen because of the conditions created by our politicians? It is reasonable to expect that to be true. It may already have begun, but the media and the Trump White House are too busy telling us all the horrible things that may happen to us.

The suicide and murder rates are already high in the U.S. It is reasonable to assume that there will be a sharp increase in those numbers.

Crazy, huh?

 

agree, but he should have gave an answer like Pence did.. what trump did was look like he was defending his own ego vs caring about the people

I think trump lacks empathy and is trying to get a grips on a crisis where there is not much one can do without empathy, letting Pence handle this was his best move

 

It is not common cold. This sucker infects 3 to 4 times as fast as the flue and kills older population at possible 8%. That are the Italy figures.
A cold does not kill.
This is not a cold or a flue, this thing is a whole new matter and none of us have ever had it and have no antibodies in us.
You got a pre-condition, you are in trouble, serious trouble. Just like the most common problem in the US, diabetes.
How many people in the US have diabetes. Millions, they get that sucker they have a serious problem and half of them have no freaking chance

Its not the cold and not the flue, this is a totally new ball game.

 

Nope.

 

****, I'm an asthmatic and I'm scared to death of this thing. A lung infection for an asthmatic is like a death sentence.