Non Gun Owners talking about guns...

What "common sense" legislation? Murder is illegal, assault with a deadly weapon is illegal. In fact, there are a whole slew of things that are illegal when it comes to firearms. I don't have a problem with those laws and I don't think anyone else does, however, criminals and murderers don't seem to follow those laws. What laws are you talking about that are going to reduce crime or murder rates?

 

That would be correct......do you know what binge drinking is?

 

Obviously you didn't read my post; I said "Accident equals wrong place at the wrong time!" Every single one of those people killed and injured were innocent people, innocent bystanders, in the wrong place at the wrong time...nothing more and nothing less. The same applies to each time we drive our cars.

I am dead serious! You and others are all hung up on 50 people being killed by a gun when you 100% ignore the tens of thousands others in our society which are killed and injured every single day! If you truly cared about human lives, in terms of just auto accidents, you would demand speed limits no greater than 35mph or whatever lower speed prevents auto deaths...but you'll never do this. Therefore you are picking and choosing which deaths are more important and politicizing those deaths as if it's such an egregious act to kill 50 buy no big deal to kill 35,000 in automobiles...

 

Since I gave you a link to it, more than likely. Stop trying to backtrack over your ignorance.

 

Then you are claiming that you are not capable of responding to others while sober?

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And pray tell how is your selected firearm not considered a toy? What is it about your use of it that earns it a differing standard of classification than any other legally owned firearm?

 

You may be dead serious but you are also dead wrong.
The shooter went to the club with the deliberate purpose of killing people. Not an accident. If someone runs a stop sign because they didn't see it and hits another car, that's an accident. If some one runs a stop sign deliberately with the intention of hitting another car, that's not an accident and also not a matter od "wrong place wrong time".

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I'm saying the logic of your post can drive one to drink.

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I'm not the one displaying ignorance.

 

Right.

 

The leftists get so angry at facts.

 

binge drink·ing
ˈbin(d)ZH ˌdriNGkiNG/
noun
the consumption of an excessive amount of alcohol in a short period of time.
"teenagers as young as 16 admit to binge drinking"

Heavy drinking and binge drinking are not the same.

 

It's their kryptonite.

 

Thanks for the definition, which was included in the link I gave you.

Now that we've got the difficult to figure definition of a word figured out, any comment on the 90k or so deaths to binge drinking? I won't even go into the number of other violent crimes caused by it, like the incredible number of rapes attributed to alcohol consumption.

Basically that bottle of Captain Morgan is at least 3 times as dangerous as any gun, in any situation.

 

If a person never drives a car and never enters a night club they will not be killed in a driving or shooting accident...never!

I'd still like to know why you believe the 50 killed in Orlando are more important than the 35,000 killed on roads last year?

 

A "... well regulated militia...", isn't what we have here in America.

That's the core of the problem, in my view.

 

Yes the definition IS there. Now show me where you quote "Each year 90,000 people die as a result of "binge drinking" is.
I'll help you out....it's not. That's the point. You take facts and edit/bend them to make your point to where they are not facts anymore. Are there 88,000 alcohol related deaths per yer....yes. Are they all the result of "binge drinking? No. Does it matter. In the big picture, no. When using statistics to make a point, yes.

 

If I had 2 wheels I'd be a bicycle
I would like to know why you equate ONE mass shooting (which you call an accident(face palm) with ALL car accidents. Would it be more accurate/fair to equate ALL mass shootings in a year with ALL car accidents.?

 

Sure, it's moderate drinking that causes so many deaths.

If it's not binge drinking, then what causes all of the problems and deaths?

 

Equate all you wish; 50 people killed in Orlando that day and the same day 93 people died in traffic accidents.

How is the shooting any more of an event than the 93 killed on the roadways?

Obviously this entire diatribe is not about human death...it's about guns and politics and BS...

 

How about getting back to the subject. My point is you edit statistics to make your point. You did it with drinking the same way you did with guns. Guns are the subject not alcohol.

 

Well at least we all see where the BS is coming from.
You want it to be about human death? OK, from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
" for a total of 33,636 deaths due to "Injury by firearms" which is the same as your car accidents. Do you see a lot of 50 death motor vehicle accident in a year? Or 30? or 20? How about this....there is a poster in this forum and has posted on this thread something like this "there are 300 million guns in the US. One was used in the shooting 299,999,999 were not" something to that effect to make the point that most guns are not used for violence. That sounds good but if you consider how many motor vehicles there are (~250 million) and how many are used everyday as compared to duns yet the yearly death rate is the same that is why the 50 in Orlando concern me. The question really is, why don't they concern you?
Is that an accident?

 

Gun death is just about exactly equal to traffic death.

The difference is that for trafgic, we have whole departments of government working on improving auto safety. We have major efforts on making cars more crash safe, regulations on roads, car usage licensing and training, etc.

It is time for equivalent interest in reducing harm.

 

Close to 90k deaths attributed to binge drinking, 100k plus rapes, medical problems and billions of dollars in cost.

I have edited nothing.

Why are guns the subject when they're 3 times less deadly than alcohol?

Answer: you have an agenda. Deaths, crime, and societal problems are not your concerns, your concern is to demonize gun ownership.

Your argument is ridiculous in the extreme.

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Good idea. When do we shut down gangs and drug lords in this country?

What are we doing about suicide? Banning guns?

 

I don't have an agenda, I have common sense. If anyone has an agenda it would be you. We have done things about alcohol. A lot of things. You tell me why we don't do more, it' your strawman argument. Guns are the subject because, I don't know, wait, the thread in "non gun owners talking about guns" that's why. If death crimes and societal problems ate your concern what should we do about them, what is your brilliant solution.

 

The solution is to focus on the problem, not the method. The method is irrelevant. People were slaughtering cities of millions before the advent of the gun, so obviously weapons are not the problem....because common sense tells you that you NEED weapons to PROTECT yourself from the violent.

What do anti gun people like you do though? You run around screaming 30,000 GUN DEATHS WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT GUNS.

Of course those 30,000 deaths are not BECAUSE of guns. Suicide accounts for 20,000 and murder the rest.

Obviously the suicide problem cannot be solved by the same methods you would combat violent crime, but it doesn't stop the antigun clack from combining the two as if 10 round magazine limits will solve either.

The problem is obviously our penal and criminal justice system, and to some degree the glorification of violence in our culture.

 

And to pro gun people like you the problem is ANYTHING but guns. You say our penal and justice system? We have more people in jail than any other country....but it's not guns. The glorification of violence in our culture. Like what? What do we do/have that other western countries don't? But it's not guns. Mental health, gun free zones......but not guns.
Yeah, people like me are the problem, not people like you. Your the ones with all the answers and still the dead mount up.

 

Then perhaps you should refrain from participating if doing such compels you against your will to engage in the consumption of alcoholic beverages.