not freedom of speech

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    By the way defining you simultaneously missed Nitzche point and then proceeded to demonstrate how it works.
     
  2. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the employees sue the company for making them feel uncomfortable, then what will the courts find the employed guilty of? In order to have a guilty verdict, there has to be a law which criminalizes the speech, and such laws are unconstitutional.

    We have real issues in Florida, and DeSantis is 100% focused on fighting culture wars and he seems to have no respect for the Constitution, or private corporations rights to run their company as they see fit. And its not just DeSantis, its most Republicans who are totally "woke" and focused on race, gays and culture wars.

    No idea what you are referring to.

    PS I do know you were talking to someone else

    So, they created a law to do.........nothing.

    We need to get rid of this idiot in Tallahassee.

    Its good that you admit your party is for authoritarianism and that you are for it. I choose neither, and the evidence for the latter is lacking.

    The government needs to stay the heck away from private businesses. Nothing good ever comes from government getting involved in "fixing" things based on partisan politics.

    It should be left to the employers to decide what they allow or don't allow in the office.
     
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  3. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is you, sir, who are allowing prejudices to affect your ability to read what is plainly stated. The author says that we are watching these people (Progressives) "do their damnest to destroy," all of the "progress our species has made throughout all of human history." The very next sentence is, "Nothing exemplifies this more than the modern left and Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech. King lays out... his desire for the country to get past the color of a person's skin."

    So my understanding of those words, comes from nothing other than my understanding of the English language, which is actually far better than it needs to be, to understand the prima facie meaning of those sentences. I assume that you know the meaning of the word, "exemplifies?" If this text is supposed to be taken some other way, I asked for
    your interpretation, which you did not give.

    FYI, you can hurl insults at me all day, if you like; your failure to provide a different translation for those paragraphs, speaks far louder than your baseless criticisms, ever could.
     
  4. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As usual, the Governor did not offer any examples of corporate training materials which might hurt someones feelings.
     
  5. Zorro

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    If there aren't any, then the prohibition does no harm.
     
  6. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Has been for a long time. Women can sue an employer for creating a "hostile workplace" based on their discomfort with private speech.

    Your just po'd that White people can now do the same thing.
     
  7. Zorro

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    If you are public, or publically regulated, then all have equal access and have the right to fair administration of all policies.

    Lefties keep trying to create groups whose rights they can freely violate, and Republicans keep stopping them. In addition to the Republican Constitutional Amendments that ensure that Democrat States can never again enslave people, I sometimes wonder if we shouldn't have also outlawed that promoter of slavery and Rights violations, the DNC. Just look at their coordinated attack on the Free State of Florida.

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  8. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    The practice of woke DEI training in corporations is well known. I am surprised you haven't heard of it. Or have you and you are just feigning ignorance?
     
  9. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok, so what have the employers been found guilty of?

    There is no law for hostile workplace, so you have to sue for workplace harassment, which is a form of discrimination. The 'hostile workplace' is only a theory which is used in harassments lawsuits, and in order to win the lawsuit, you have to prove the harassments has been severe and pervasive. Being offended by reading training material is a far cry from harassment.

    This new law broadens the definition of harassments to include someone hurting his/her feelings over corporate training materials, so this is an off-the-charts snowflake law, - pure and simple.

    I have read many, but it takes a heck of a lot more to offend me than reading corporate training material. Again, the Governor did not offer any examples of corporate training materials which might hurt someone's feelings. Personally I have never seen anything like that might hurt someone's feelings.

    What happened to you guys? All of a sudden your skin is to thin that wind blows though it.
     
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  10. DEFinning

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    This is non- responsive to what was pointed out, in my post. Your calling it, "Insanity," proves nothing &, FYI, is not an argument. I can only take your resorting to such desperate measures, and avoidance of my argument, as concession, that my point is something you have no other way to stand against.
     
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  11. Pycckia

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    Absolutely. This is war and we will use any available tool.
     
  12. Alwayssa

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    The United States has not declared war or passed a bill that we can use military forces in a third party conflict, YET. So, any tools available is moot at this point.
     
  13. Pycckia

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    We are adopting woke tactics to fight back. This is war. We are going to drive wokeness out of the culture anywhere and everywhere we find it.

    And I don't think anybody on PF has a thin skin given the abuse that is routinely posted here.

    You can sue
     
  14. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    I am speaking, of course, of the culture war.
     
  15. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can see that. You have become what you hate the most.

    Drive it out by adding to it? LOL

    And here they are bending over backwards to promote snow-flake laws, and I wasn't referring to PF, but everywhere.
     
  16. Zorro

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    Fake News. Our identity is as Free Americans

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  17. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    The war is between woke totalitarianism and conservative authoritarianism. They are hardly the same.
     
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    I doubt this is actually happening anywhere, but even if it were, why should it be illegal to do so?
     
  19. Pro_Line_FL

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    You said adopted woke tactics to fight back, so yes, you are WOKE. Ironically pseudo-cons are more woke than anyone. Its wokeness on steroids.
     
  20. Alwayssa

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    More like fake culture war.

    But let's take a look at your argument, shall we?

    You claim as an axiom that one side is using "woke" to pass their agenda. Then you claim you too will use "woke" to get your agenda passed. Finally, you said this is war, or in other words, no compromise. Thus, using "woke" to get rid of "woke" will not achieve the desired results. Evenutally, the group you are ingnoring totally, independents, will not listen to a word you say because you have cried wolf too many times to count.
     
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    Why would a company hire someone just to berate them into quitting?
     
  22. Pycckia

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    What is fake about it?
     
  23. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    And with this inane blather you have the last word.
     
  24. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    You make a mistake in the very first sentence "woke" is the agenda. Tactics such as "cancel culture" are techniques used to advance an agenda. Joseph McCarthy used "cancel culture."

    Independents will have to choose between the agendas of the woke and sensible people. I hope they choose the sensible people and, indeed, they seem to be doing so.
     
  25. Alwayssa

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    Everybody uses "cancel culture." Even Trump has used "cancel culture" to try to get people to boycott Apple, CNN, MSNBC, etc, or people should be fired such as Debra Messing, Chuck Todd, and Brent Baier, or shut down companies because they debunked his claims. So much for free speech by Donald J Trump. Point is both sides use the so called "cancel culture" for political agendas to get passed, accepted, the only game in town. There are a plethora of liberals who do the same thing. And that is why independents are just shaking our heads and say, how can two groups of people be so stupid these days.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fact-check-trump-cancel-culture-boycotts-firings/index.html
     

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