NRA chief calls gun ownership a 'fundamental human right,' rejects calls for new restrictions

About the time it takes to get into a concert or ballgame.

 

Okay a whole slew of wrong here mixed with some blatant racism

Let us start with the Switzerland fallacy https://www.businessinsider.com/swi...-to-carry-their-guns-around-in-switzerland-12
https://www.csgv.org/the-truth-about-guns-in-switzerland/

The Swiss have far far more regulation around guns than America has - they even have to keep the bullets in a central arsenal

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

I do agree that it is the fault of the “culture”

 

Since one of the biggest red flags is domestic violence just banning people with that history would do so much to reduce gun violence in America

 

Yes. You agree with me and the 2A.

Second Amendment



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

It grants Arms, not just firearms. Arms, shall not be infringed. To keep and bear.
Grants also means not some god given or natural right. But a granted right. As all rights have to be granted by some mechanism and then enforced.

Second Amendment



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

All words can be looked up. For they are defined.

If you can't understand what Shall means, look it up.
If you can't understand what Not means, look it up.
If you can't understand what Infringed means, look it up.

Those are only 3 words you have to look up.

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Second Amendment



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

I didn’t say I don’t know what it means. I’m asserting YOU don’t know what it means.

The phrase “shall not be infringed” means that it shall not be violated or broken.

Which means the people have the right to bear any arm they so desire.

 

Poster @Sage3030 actually proved to me last night that the great majority of Americans should not be allowed keep and bear arms based on that sentence.

Proud to follow the Constitution and the law and be an American non-gun owner!!

 

well considering there is about 19,000 gun murders in the US each year and about 250,000 medical malpractice Deaths each year, Maybe we should ban doctors?

 

Do you know the definition of murder?

 

The CRPC is a pro-gun organization.

Did you know that?

Here's why their data is incorrect:

According to the snopes analysis, one of those inappropriate methods was the leaving out of the many European countries that had not experienced a single mass shooting between 2009-2015. This data would not have changed the position of the U.S. on the list, but its absence could lead a reader to believe—incorrectly—that the U.S. experienced fewer mass shooting fatalities per capita than all but a handful of countries in Europe. A more important oversight, again according to snopes, was the report's use of average deaths per capita instead of a more stable metric. Thanks to the smaller populations of most European countries, individual events in those countries had statistically oversized influence and warped the results. For example, Norway’s world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utøya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

 

yes, but dead is dead. if your goal is to stop people from dying then banning guns is really low down the list. 660,000 deaths from heart disease.. ban fast food? 38,000 deaths by car accidents.. should we ban cars?

 

I suggest you do the same, there is a reason why the SC has ruled the way it has

But good luck with Article V

Two third of BOTH HOUSES, never gonna happen.. Below is a state by state percentage of gun owners..

Where are all of America's guns? - Gun map: Ownership by state - statistics and rates (cbsnews.com)

Politicians on either side are going to risk political suicide by alienating 50% of the voters..

 

So your claim that we are the most violent nation, when actually we are 64th! is a steaming pile of crap, slander and disinformation.

When first confronted on your Disinformation you retrenched and claimed that we were the most violent Western country, which is also completely false.

Your response confirms my point, and using the frauds at Snopes to confirm my point is just icing on the cake.

Snopes isn't just a bit of a fraud, they are a whsle fraud. "Snopes retracted 60 articles after a News investigation found that David Mikkelson, its co-founder, plagiarized from news outlets in an attempt to scoop up web traffic. Mikkelson, who owns half the company, will continue as chief executive."

www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/business/media/snopes-plagiarism-David-Mikkelson.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

And your cut, where they confirm my point and then try to quibble over this that and the other to try to hide the confirmation is par for the course.

The Frauds at Snopes are fine with normalizing for population size when comparing different sized countries, unless it interferes with the lying fake news disinformation they wish to promote.

Do you feel any shame at all over first posting disinformation and then when corrected, throwing out more disinformation, and when again corrected, arguing against normalizing for population when comparing large population countries against small population countries? What a complete tap out.

And by the way, you claimed that you want to minimize illegal guns in the hands of felons, but, you still haven't replied to whether you support Stop and Frisk, which allows the police to take illegal guns from felons and has a proven track record of reducing not only violent crime, but also reducing incarceration and even arrests.

https://www.nytimes.com › roomfordebate › 2012 › 07 › 17 › does-stop-and-frisk-reduce-crime › stop-and-frisk-has-lowered-crime-in-other-cities
Stop and Frisk Has Lowered Crime in Other Cities
"As a result of active crime-prevention techniques like stop and frisk, they are being arrested and imprisoned at a drastically lower rate. The number of inmates from New York City in state prisons..."

 

"A God given right ..." is a silly argument. If it was a "God given" right, it would be protected by that God and no amendment would be necessary.

If anything, it is a Constitutionally protected right - and as we have seen with restricted voting rights supported by Republicans, Constitutionally protected
rights can be restricted. If gun ownership were a "God given" right, we wouldn't be able to restrict ownership from convicted felons.

 

So, are we sending doctors to prison for life?

Death penalty maybe...

Well, I'll leave you with your brilliant demonstrations.

 

Fake News - Our nation is founded on the principle that our inherent rights come from God and that the legitimate purpose of government is to secure them.

More fake news, securing our fundamental rights includes restricting the rights of convicted felons.

 

And how many times have we read the Australian posters claim the U.S. is a violent culture and then make the ridiculous call to ban guns.. How does that even make logical sense, having the law abiding gun owners turn in their firearms while the Violent CULTURE keep their firearms?

No doubt the cure is more deadly the problem..

As many as 600,000 illegal guns in Australia

Australia proves what happens when the responsible are unarmed, they only create a nation of criminals..
how many Australians illegally own a weapon - Search (bing.com)

 

I'm not even going to try to make sense of the BS you posted but here are the facts

Odd One Out
Gun violence deaths per 100,000 people in developed economies = The US is Number One in gun violence deaths in developed countries.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/

 

Your data does not take into consideration that a nation like Norway - 5.4 million population - had only one mass shooting in 15 years... but that killed 69 people.

Human life is not less important in the US because the population is larger.

In absolute numbers of deaths, the US has an appalling record.

Since the beginning of 2022, 60 Americans have died every month in mass shootings.

In Norway, since the Breivik massacre, the country has taken drastic measures to counter the proliferation of guns.

In the US, even after Las Vegas, nothing has been done.

 

No... just any weapon that can fire more than 1 round with a single pull of the trigger...

Then we'll go from there...

 

So you do believe that securing our fundamental rights CAN include restricting who can own firearms.

As for the God thing - Does the Preamble to the Constitution contain the words, "We, the People ..." or does it mention God or gods?

 

As I've said this entire thread and any other thread that the topic comes up.
That includes nukes, claymors, flamethrowers, etc.

 

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

 

All of the bill of rights are amendments. They were agreed to as a condition by several of the states to ratify the constitution itself. You know the process. Get 2/3 of both houses of congress or 2/3 of all the states to propose the change and then get 38 of the 50 states to ratify your change. There needs to be a big national consensus in order to change the constitution as it should be.